From warmbreath at comcast.net Thu Oct 1 08:50:19 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 05:50:19 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd {Health) [E. Cuniculi] References: Message-ID: <4EC810D8CB134614AB2C19134DACE920@SNADY> Since the infection in your piggies eyes produces accessible discharge or tears you can have your vet perform a culture and sensitivity test if the current antibiotic doesn't produce a complete cure. Sandy and Shipwreck Sam From warmbreath at comcast.net Thu Oct 1 09:01:43 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:01:43 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH]wry neck References: Message-ID: read here http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/tilt.html and http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/paresis.html and let me know if it helps wry neck or head tilt is almost always caused by e.c. or middle/inner ear infection, in gp's ear infection is much more common. For a list of proper gp meds look at www.guinealynx.info not the ones in the articles above which are for rabbits. I couldn't find where I answered you, I apologize profusely. Also check out info in the archives titles e.c. or Hershey (with various endings) pls post additional questions Sandy . Whitney asked > Does anyone know anything about twisted neck syndrome??? In need of > despersate help and advice. Thanks > From mfug at live.co.uk Thu Oct 1 10:37:08 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M Fug) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:37:08 +0000 Subject: [Gpdd] Announcement; Princess Snowflake Message-ID: We wish you a very happy 2nd/3rd birthday and wish you many more to come!!! Whee are not on Facebook and so whee will have to wait patiently for the pigtures, dont make us wait too long please. M, Fugly and Spooky _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos ? Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ From mlwilliams at clear.net Thu Oct 1 12:24:43 2009 From: mlwilliams at clear.net (mlwilliams2) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC: This and that Message-ID: <39DE06F4E2574B138E73082429A0AD79@Lynn> Hi everyone, I have been reading and trying to get caught up with the list. I have seen so many sad things happening to so many wonderful people. I wanted to express my sorrow to all of you who have lost furbabies or buns recently. I am, as always, keeping you all in my prayers. It's getting cold here now. I doubt it will last for too long but in the meantime, I have pulled out the wool pig beds pockets. Tabby especially likes to get in them. Sam, on the other hand, likes to pee on them. And that is whether Tab is in it at the moment or not. Sam has been in a mood the last few days. She is very jumpy and seems to think I am now a vulture, about to swoop down upon her and eat her. She goes through this occasionally but I feel sorry for Tabby when she does. Yesterday, I reached in the cage to se where they were. I slowly reached into the Pigloo and to my surprise, it *exploded* with a startled pig. Sam came shooting out of it, yelling her head off. Apparently, I touched her bottom and she was asleep and I disturbed Her Highness. When she came shooting out of the Pigloo, she ran right into the huge pile of hay I keep in the cage, where, coincidentally, Tabitha was sleeping. Blam! Now I have 2 pigs squealing. Good lord, it never stops! Tabby is still a drama queen and will sit there and whimper until I reach in, pick her up and baby her. Then, all is fine in her little pig world again. Well, much to do today. I'll write more as I have time. Take care everyone and hugs and kisses to all the little guys and gals. Hugs, love and whisker kisses, Lynn, Samantha & Tabitha From elmga at hotmail.com Thu Oct 1 12:41:54 2009 From: elmga at hotmail.com (ellen garrison) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:41:54 -1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd: [Rainbow Bridge] (((Hershey))) Message-ID: My condolences go out to Joanie and her husband. So sorry for your loss. You sounded like there was a lot to do for her and you did everything possible. R.I.P., little Hershey. The kind beings on the 'other side' will assist you thye reswt of the way to Rainbow Bridge, as they always help the beasts and animals to cross over and into the light. Have a good day everyone. You are loved!! >From Ellen with 10 guineas to love _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From dogcatpiggymom at yahoo.com Thu Oct 1 13:34:14 2009 From: dogcatpiggymom at yahoo.com (dogcatpiggymom at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge: Hershey Message-ID: <430107.4340.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dearest Joan, I am behind on GPDD posts and just found one where there is an on-going debate about Hershey's illness.? I am so very sorry that I missed the post that she has passed away.? I'm so sad for you.? Please know that you were a wonderful mama to her and she had a?sweet life with you.? That's what matters more than anything;she was so loved.? Having lost my dog Becky and my bunny Bella very recently, I understand your pain.? We just have to believe that when the time is right, we will be with our babies once again.? In the meantime, feel free to email me anytime you'd like to talk.? I'm here. Hugs for you, Joanne and her herd, too. "Animals are excellent role models for forgiveness... There is no holding back of the love." - Christine Robinson From rzm.2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 1 18:21:53 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:21:53 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- noise & piggies Message-ID: Hey! I have a question I need some opinions on. Next week we are getting a new roof put on our house. I wonder if it is better to leave Mimi in the house, despite all the noise, so she is in familiar surroundings, or if I should move her to my parents house for the day. I don't know which would be less stressful for her. Any suggestions? ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 1 16:36:22 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Stinky poos Message-ID: <203722.19040.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I used Benebac, and it did help with Hershey's loose droppings, though they hadn't yet become smelly. But, a word of warning: the Benebac I got at the petstore was rancid--it was yellow and smelled like stale flour. The stuff I got from the vet was colorless and odorless, so I know the first batch was OLD! If there is stool odor, it probably means the bad bacteria are no longer held in check. I'm praying for a happy gut for her and?joyful times gaining weight. Joanie From rzm.2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 1 22:32:09 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:32:09 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] ANNOUNCEMENT- Snowflake Message-ID: <4CD7696B469440F9A1CC4EBAE1F31C60@chirpyPC> Happy adoption day to her highness Princess Snowflake! We can't wait to see your website. May you have many, many more! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From angela at lunaclick.net Thu Oct 1 20:04:14 2009 From: angela at lunaclick.net (Angela Taylor) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:04:14 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- noise & piggies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ===== Jaime, our girls don't seem to be bothered by noises at all. Sudden movements, yes...they'll fly into their houses like nobody's business, but noises don't seem to faze them. They've learned that the vacuum, while annoying, isn't going to eat them. :) Mona, the youngest, still gets a little agitated at some noises, but all the girls were more skittish when they were younger. If the roofers do spook Mimi, I can't imagine it will impact her very seriously. She'll probably become accustomed to the noise and learn to ignore it in no time, although all you may see of her for a little while will be a nose peeking out of her hiding spot. :) ~*~ Angela, Peter, and the Guinea Goddesses Isis, Artemis (Mimi), and Pomona (Mona) ===== From warmbreath at comcast.net Thu Oct 1 20:55:19 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:55:19 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: More Hershey questions References: <676724.8385.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A6E345CBC0C460CA96B241EF8FF268A@SNADY> Joanie, thank you so much for telling us that vet finally decided it was e.c. You may have no idea what that means to me and us to know, not that it means I'm right and they were wrong, but that my thought process was correct, and that the work I did was not wasted, and that means we have worked a to find a way to save future victims. It provides our first data point that a piggie can get and does get e.c. To that end I have summed up all that I wrote into a shorter outline form I'm hoping to post somewhere so that people will be able to access the info in time to save their pet. I am still distraught your vets didn't listen sooner, and that Hershey is gone, I came to love her almost as much as you, I would even wake in the night thinking of her. To return to my original question I was actually asking if Hershey (or your Bun) has ever in their lifetimes been treated for mites with Ivermectin, usually given as a shot followed by another in 7 to 10 days. One of the articles Penny found said that the breeder thought there was a protective effect of Ivermectin, keeping the others in her large herd of rabbits from ever developing e.c. if they had Ivermectin, esp. early in life and many of us here have piggies that either arrive at our homes with mites or get infested at sometime in their life. so they get treatments of Ivermectin or Revolution to kill the mites. So to be clear, did Hershey or the bun ever get this type of treatment (of course you have no idea what happened before they came to live with you) That info would help us begin to understand if the breeder was right. On the chance that she is, and because Puff already has the external parasite I would take Puff in ASAP and get her an Ivermectin shot followed by another, Dont get Revolution as its newer so the breeder didn't test it. As for vets, I would keep the one that finally had the grace to admit to e.c., you have e.c. in your house so your pets will have a better chance with a vet with an open mind. See if you can see through your pain to agree with this strategy. Get the titre test, followed by another in 2 to 4 weeks, to find out if the titre is changing, I have learned (thanks to Hershey) that a changing tire can mean something where as a single one doesn't. Insist your vets do it, its not expensive. I will send you the completed article I wrote off line to help you manage the 2 cases from now out, with knowledge this wont be such a big deal, you will know what to do. As to your bun it is of course extremely likely now that we can say she is a carrier or had an active infection at some time in her life. She should be watched carefully for symptoms to pop up again, and kept separate from Puff. Esp. the urine should never get close to the new piggy, that means a separate existence and separate carrying cage to the vet. Wash up all hard equip for both with 10% beach. When caring for your animals go from the new piggy to the bun, never visa versa. I will help you get in touch with Dana Krempels, PhD. directly so you can find out if a bun can be cured while this microscopic parasite is dormant, I just dont know so tell us what she says. I recommend signing up for etherbun. Dana does stress that buns can live a normal life with e.c. if it's controlled, meaning outbreaks are caught in time. I would be happy to help you learn how to do this, although the stuff I've written already is helpful, Dana is the expert, my new article is more succinct and I will tighten it up as I get critiques and learn more. For you getting in touch with Dr. Kremples is the ultimate strategy. Send a message off line if you want this help, it would be good for your Puff and the bun. Given that once Hershey got and was sickened with e.c. a tragedy happened, but her death, and your struggle to save her and work through your pain to communicate these facts to us, will save others in future. I'm so very sorry it was your darling guinea pig that turned out to be the guinea pig. A multiple tragedy. We all hold Hershey high in our respect and morn her death and will dedicate future advances to her. Sandy, your friend for life From warmbreath at comcast.net Thu Oct 1 21:59:38 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:59:38 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC: This and that References: <39DE06F4E2574B138E73082429A0AD79@Lynn> Message-ID: <3AE705DD1A654F18B021065881DF8722@SNADY> It just turned colder here too, a month late. I have had lady pigs that act like your Sam, Is she the boss pig, the leader of the girls. Lady Sows dont have periods, but they have some kind of cycle I'm convinced, where periodically they act a little hormonal. Maybe it take those hormones to be a leader. I remember back when I first started the Penny Giggles. The first 2 were a pair named Bill and Hillary. Bill flamed out early after a life of debauchery, Hillary however, lived a very long life and every second of it was as the boss pig. The girls all lived in a early model C & C cage, and if they thought they seriously deserved more veggies of anything they would break out, always Hillary in the lead, and the exact same line up of sows behind her every time, nose to butt, until I spied them, then the line would explode into reverse and run for the fort. But I knew I better break out the veggies or I would have a full scale mutiny, hmmmm.... note to Capt'n Jack, keep sows fed! Sandy and Shipwreck Sam Missing all those Penny Giggles so long ago, esp, Wild Wooly Willy, Jetma, Feebeep, Square-Ed, Mystic Lady's Baby, Elizabeth, Gooters, Sonny (Son of Wookie), Peter and Pedro, Jack, Brown Noise, LBP (lil' Brown Pig, Chuckie, Oh! I could go on and on, the rainbow bridge must be a truly happy place. From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 1 22:41:50 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: A eulogy letter to Hershey Message-ID: <63572.18798.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I hope this doesn't run too long... ? Hershey, you were so tiny when I first met you--barely a month old, covered with silky hair, marked like the sheltie dog for which I assume your kind is named, in two shades of brown over white. ? You were shy, so different from my self-assured pigger that had left us only days before you arrived (within days of Mothers' Day, 2008). Sensing my loss, my husband, Gary, surprised me with you and he was overjoyed at my delight. He had searched the pet stores for a worthy piggie, and knew at first sight that you--the little one hiding in her cardboard tube--were the one. ? You must've been handled roughly?as a piglet because it took a long time for you to trust us. I never was able to catch you, and feared carrying you anyway, as you were such a wiggler, so I'd lure you into your CosySack with your favorite dry food (another brand of pellet in tantalizing shapes and flavors), pinch the opening shut, and it would become your magic carpet to the land of snuggles and treats. You never complained about your need for frequent brushing as long as you were bribed with enough goodies to occupy you. You were even good when I had to trim your bottom, which was the only place your hair ever matted. Surprisingly, I never saw you impeded by your glorious, floor-length mantle. ? Though you were not a terribly vocal guinea pig, you still expressed yourself. You were quite musical, in fact. You had three bells hanging over your feeder. You'd grasp one by the rim, pull back, and watch and listen with glee as it rang, crashing into the other two in a miniature symphony. I'll miss that. ? I can still see your pink paws as you stood on your hind legs against the cage, your chubby lower lip drooping to reveal your cute incisors, the lower jaw grinding sporadically in anticipation as you begged for munchies. I'll miss that daily performance along with the Hershey kisses you'd bestow and the soft warbling serenades when snack time was over. ? You had a certain dignity and reserve that was cast aside when you became ill. You became bold and trusting and vocal, responding loudly to the mention of your name. Perhaps you knew that time was short, for you were so appreciative in spite of all the indignities and pains of treatment your endured. You'd always been particularly afraid of men, but in those last, difficult weeks (the best and worst of times)?you sought out Gary. I'll never forget watching you waddle across the couch, stand on your hind legs with your little paws resting on his arm, and look up into his eyes as if to say, "Thank you." I remember Gary praying that we could be as great a blessing to?you as you'd been to us. I hope we were. ? He still cherishes the tug-o-wars the two of you had over empty syringes after medication time, how you'd brace your legs and tug with all your might, demonstrating a tenacity we had only recently discovered.? A couple days ago he found your favorite syringe, saw the tooth marks on it, and his eyes filled with tears as he asked me to put it somewhere safe. ? How do I pay tribute to a lovely lady pig such as you? With gratitude and humility at having shared our lives with you for that brief year and a half, to be sure, and with the certain knowledge that we we will continue to miss you until we meet you in a Better Land. Until then let it suffice to say that you were and forever will be loved. ? Your bereaved Mama and devoted slave, Joanie From suzy at dunser.com Fri Oct 2 01:21:35 2009 From: suzy at dunser.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Suzy_D=FCnser?=) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:21:35 +1300 Subject: [Gpdd] Health or Misc - enough e.cuniculi for now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012D683F-6A75-4E3A-AA60-C6F9B5112A96@dunser.com> Hi all, I think for Joanie's sake maybe the technical discussion about e.c. should wait awhile, or as Sandy suggested, go off-list somehow... at least until Joanie has had some time to recover from Hershey's death and the rollercoaster that preceded it.... Cheers and wheeks, Suzy and Rocky and Cocoa in our hearts From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 2 09:14:26 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 06:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: Princess Snowflake Message-ID: <514114.22539.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Congratulations Princess Snow fake!!? Mommie decided we will all get a extra piece of cucumber in honor of your very special adoption day!? Hurray!!!?? Enjoy your special day! We know your mommie will make it extra special indeed:) Congratulations indeed! Misfits From cazza177 at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 2 10:07:45 2009 From: cazza177 at ntlworld.com (Cazza177) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:07:45 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Isis needs to gain some weight! Message-ID: <24F76AFB293C41F7B37F4406E92FE66D@DelBoy> Dear Angela > > I am sorry Isis is not completely herself at the moment. I know you have > the cysts issue, but what she has could be completely unrelated, so > perhaps think about if anything has been different with her lately in > terms of what you feed her or even a change of hay etc.. If you feel her > thirst is increased, I wonder if it may be adviseable to have her urine > tested. That would indicate if she has diabetes, an infection and also > tell you if her kidneys are functioning ok. > > I don't know how guinea pig-savvy you regard your vet as being, but Vedra > from the Cambridge Cavy Trust told me that with a gp's urine, all the > readings are the opposite of what you would expect to see in a cat or dog. > The pH balance should be around 8 to 8.5 and Specific Gravitiy should be > mid-scale, all other readings should be negative. > > Please also be careful of how the urine sample is taken (if your vet does > it), as I have read of some horrendous stories on the Digest of how this > has been done with unknowledgeable vets. If you have a clean sheet of > glass (be careful of the edges) or sheet of plastic, your Isis can urinate > on that and then it can be put into a sample container. That's perhaps the > least stressful and least invasive way. You might want to syringe Isis > some water first to help her to want to go. > > Also, if Isis hasn't been wormed for a while (3 months or more), you might > want to ask your vet to do that too, as worms can be a reason for a keen > appetitie but continued weight loss. > > Kind regards > > Carole From mlwilliams at clear.net Fri Oct 2 12:59:34 2009 From: mlwilliams at clear.net (mlwilliams2) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:59:34 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] behavior: Bossy pigs Message-ID: Hi Sandy, I absolutely agree. Sows do have hormonal periods of time and on a regular basis. Sam is *definitely* the boss in this house. But, she and Tabitha both display this hormonal behavior at times. Thankfully, it's not at the same time. It usually goes like this: One of them starts the rumble, rumble rumble behavior. They will literally stalk the other one around the cage, attempting to mount them or getting right in the other's face and rumbling or sniffing their back end. The other one, meanwhile, takes great offense at this and when nose to nose, will do this little muttering, talking thing. Almost as if talking under their breath. It is a unique sort of talking. Not the usual one. As for sneaking up on her back end Sam will reach out behind her and do the Kung Fu Piggy kick which makes Tabitha run off squeaking. Tabitha will just fuss about it and run over to the corner and back into it, so thatSam can't access that particular region. I'm so glad Earl can see all of this and relate it to me because I so enjoy knowing of their antics. Which reminds me. The other day, I had them out in the living room with us, on the floor, in their big play pen. I went to make their nightly bowl of fresh veggies, which they await with relish. They know the routine. When Mommy has *that* bowl in her hand, she is going to get our treats. When we hear the bags in the fridge, it's a sure thing! Wheek, wheek! Well, I had made them a bowl of goodies and was approaching their cage with it. Both were popping around and expressing their delight. I bent over and sat it down and went to sit back down. After a few seconds, I heard Tabitha making this pitiful little wheeking, questioning sound that began to get louder and more demanding. I asked Earl what was wrong with her, for goodness sake. I just gave them a bowl full of veggies. he looked over and started laughing. I had set the bowl on the outside of the pen and both were sitting there, little noses pressed up against the bars, staring at the bowl. Tabitha was letting me know she did not find this amusing at all. I felt awful! I tried to assure them that their Mommy wasn't being mean, just careless. I think they forgot all about it as soon as I put it in their pen and let them go at it. They are funny little creatures, aren't they? And they give so much pleasure to us and all they ask in return is to be loved and fed. We do the rest because we want the best for them, don't we? Take care all. I have some office stuff to do today and am trying to learn a new program for cell phones which makes them accessible for the blind. it's really cool,because now I can do everything that the "sighties" can do with their phones. Including make my own ringtones. I have made one of a pig hollering for food if anyone would like a copy of it. It is in .MP3 format, so if your phone supports that, let me know and I will send it to you. Hugs, wheeks & whisker kisses, Lynn, Samantha & Tabitha From cazza177 at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 2 13:11:47 2009 From: cazza177 at ntlworld.com (Cazza177) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:11:47 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- noise & piggies References: Message-ID: <15BD6FCF92F34D6CB7FE3103EDB80937@DelBoy> Dear Jamie A few years ago now when BG and Artie were about 4 months old, we had a lot of decorating done to the house, and I was concerened that them breathing in the fumes from the gloss paint would not be good for them. They stayed at a close friends house for about 2 weeks and seemed no different for having been away. I guess it is a little different in your case, as I think I'm right in thinking that Mimi lives alone. There could well be a lot of dust and nosie and maybe some smells/fumes that would be best avoided, so if it were me, I would take Mimi to your parents. It could be that with all that has to be done, the distruption takes more than a day, and that she needs to be away a little longer. I would imagine that it would be quieter and safer at your parents. If they chat to her a lot and keep an eye on her, I'm sure all will be fine. Hope the roof change goes well! Kind regards Carole From cazza177 at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 2 13:27:09 2009 From: cazza177 at ntlworld.com (Cazza177) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUCEMENT] Rosie gp doing her bit for peace Message-ID: Dear all I saw this on Care2's website. I am not advocating or asking anyone to sign, it was just such a sweet video. Mind you, if Rosie the guinea pig really is paying out a $1 a carrot, I think she's being conned!... Kind regards Carole http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/289481676 (Immediately beneath the video clip, under the words 'YouTube', is a square. If you click on that once, the video will fill the entire screen so you can see the whole clip even better! Press the 'esc' button on your keyboard afterwards to make the image appear normal size again.) From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 2 13:29:57 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] rainbow bridge: Hershey Message-ID: <438039.25925.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dearest Joanie, Such a beautiful eulogy. I must say the tears are still ?streaming down my face... Such a beautiful little pig your Hershey. She will saddly be missed by all?of us here at misfitville.We cried at each sad step of her battles with sickness. We cheered her on when something seemed to?be going good. ?She has taught us so much about how a shy little girl can touch? all of our hearts with the love she shared. Our arms are out stretched to you Joanie and Gary with many hugs long distance over the magic of the internet. May you find the peace in knowing she is popcorning and enjoying all the joys the bridge has to offer. Still streaming the tears... jean (misfits) From cazza177 at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 2 17:45:50 2009 From: cazza177 at ntlworld.com (Cazza177) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:45:50 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: belated condolences, BG Message-ID: <10724416E1A74F619350A27083EFFB83@DelBoy> > Dear Cindy I did try to email you back using your personal email address, but it bounced back, so I am sending my reply again to you, this time via the Digest. > > Thank you for taking the time to email and for your kind words. I am > still coming to terms with the way I had to deal with the last 4 weeks of > BG's life. I wanted him to be here at home, but I was fearful of my lack > of knowledge of the condition he had -- no one knew exactly what was > wrong, but everyone said it was lung-related, and he was getting gradually > worse. The vets here were next to useless and Vedra at CCT was an hours > drive away, so if I had an emergency, it was never easy. After BG's lungs > were x-rayed (at Vedra's suggestion), she said she could not help as she > could not give 24/7 care, as she had too many other pigs in, and my vets > are just not up to speed on rodents. The rodentologists I took him to are > the ones Penny takes her gp's to, and they are very good, but I only wish > that they were much nearer, as I wanted to see BG so much more than just > the once a week. Each week I couldn't wait to get there, then all the way > home I would be miserable and full of guilt. > > BG was an insightful guinea pig and was capable of thought. I wonder how > much he thought each time I left 'why am I not going home?' A few days > before he passed, he'd had a bad spell, but picked up again really well, > and I was going to ask (on the Friday that I was due to visit) if he could > come home for a few days, as I felt I could do that. It wasn't to be, as > he passed on the Wednesday. > > He had excellent care, and the rodentologists were so kind to him, but the > guilt I feel about not caring for him myself at the end will, I know, stay > with me forever. I just hope that someday BG will be able to forgive me. > > Thank you so much for emailing me. > > Kind regards > > Carole From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 2 19:12:21 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: mimi and the roof noise Message-ID: <513754.82024.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Jaime, We had a lot of work on the outside of our house? done this? summer... and having 15 guinea pigs.. it was impossible to move them as they live in very large 4 by 2 cages that are stacked three high in 3 sections.. so the noise began and the loudness of the men working for a full month outside... Well I am glad to report that it never bothered any of the guinea pigs.. they never acted scared or acted any different at all! They continued on with their normal routines of their very lazy days. So I would say leave Mimi where she is and let the noise begin:) I really think she will do just fine. Jean (misfits) From rzm.2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 2 22:30:19 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:30:19 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- Hershey's eulogy Message-ID: <1857621A6EBA4462B829344CF4A9FCF0@chirpyPC> Joanie- Your eulogy was beautiful & now I am sitting here crying. =( You definitely did your baby justice. ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From rzm.2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 2 22:31:35 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:31:35 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH- e cuniculi Message-ID: <6EFF653ADA14426DA8318710B29D9348@chirpyPC> Suzy- You took the words right out of my mouth! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From dogcatpiggymom at yahoo.com Fri Oct 2 21:47:57 2009 From: dogcatpiggymom at yahoo.com (dogcatpiggymom at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge: Hershey Message-ID: <30403.63572.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Joan: Thank you for sharing your lovely tribute to Hershey with us. This is a difficult time for you and writing and sharing will help you through your grief. We've had way too many losses lately. So very sad. Thinking of you... Joanne and her herd of 6 precious piggies From Guineapigfilms at aol.com Sat Oct 3 01:15:09 2009 From: Guineapigfilms at aol.com (Guineapigfilms at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:15:09 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge: Re: Hershey Message-ID: Dear Joanie, What a wonderful tribute to your darling Hershey. It sounds as if she gave as much to you and your husband in her final days as you guys gave to her. I love the image of her ringing her bells. Please do not feel as if you or your vets are to blame in any way for what happened to her. You were all trying so hard to do your best, and I know that Hershey could feel your love. I wish that I could give you a hug in person but, anyway, here is a virtual hug. ((((HUG))))) We have had that experience of getting a much closer bond to our pets in the times that they are neediest. Our very first guinea pig, Hazel (the star of Alyssa's very first movie, HAZEL THE GUINEA PIG'S PACKAGE) got very, very ill with a severe respiratory infection. None of the vets here at that time seemed very savvy to the needs of sick guinea pigs, so I ended up taking her to a guinea pig breeder several hours away. This breeder gave me meds and also gave Hazel an injection. So for the next couple of weeks, I devoted a lot of time, energy, and care on helping Hazel get well. At first she resisted the syringe of meds, but later she would look up into my eyes so trustingly that my own eyes would fill with tears. I'd talk to her, too, telling her to hold on...and she got well!!!!! After she recovered, she retained that special trust and would coo at me from across the room. She loved to be stroked and petted! Joanie, I know that Hershey was surrounded with love in her last days, and she knew it, too. You did the very best you could for her, and you honored her by telling her story in such a beautiful way on the GPDD. And here's another hug: ((((HUG))))) Love and Wheeeeeeps, Nancy (& Alyssa) http://www.carrotwars.com From Guineapigfilms at aol.com Sat Oct 3 01:18:01 2009 From: Guineapigfilms at aol.com (Guineapigfilms at aol.com) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 01:18:01 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] ANNOUNCEMENT: Re: Princess Snowflake's Adoption Day Message-ID: Dear Princess Snowflake, your most Excellent Royal Highness, Queen of all Pigdom, Wheeeeeee so humbly entreat you to have a most excellent adoption day. Hope your slave spoils you even more rotten in the years to come! Love and WHEEEEEEEEEEPS, Nancy & Alyssa http://www.carrotwars.com From aliciavanmaanen at hotmail.com Sat Oct 3 13:21:50 2009 From: aliciavanmaanen at hotmail.com (Alicia VanMaanen) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:21:50 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] Announcement: Holiday Gift & Card Exchange 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Everyone, I know we are into October and fall is here, but I wanted to let everyone know that it's not too early to start thinking bout wanting to participate in our annual digest holiday gift exchange for Christmas. I would be more than happy to once again work on this as I love too do that part in it. For those of you that are new to the digest let me explain what this is a little bit. I will start matching up and sending out confirmation emails near the end of November. Every year we offer a holiday gift or card exchange with other members of the digest. You can choose to participate in either or both aspects of the exchange. In both you would be given the name of another guinea pig(s) if you wish to do all your piggies together and a slave. If you are participating in the gift exchange you would than get some type of gift for the slave's pig(s) that you were assigned and mail it to them for a christmas gift. YOu are also welcome to include soemthing special in their for the slvae. As for the price of the gift that is up to you as to how much you can honestly afford to spend on a gift. I've had various gifts over the years from handmade gifts/treats for me and my piggies to store bought treats. But the minimum is usualy about $10 from what most people spend on a total gift I'd guess. THis is a fun event and everyone loves to participate adn get gifts in the mail and than post on the digest a thank you afterwards so that everyone knows you received your gift. So if you are interested please feel free to email me at guineapiglover2009 at hotmail.com Please include the following information in your email: Slave NameSlave Mailing AddressSlave EmailPig(s) participating and if more than one piggie are they participating as a group or an individualAny other important information I you might want another slave to be aware of about you or your pig(s) Thanks everyone and look forward to hearing from everyone! Many Wheeks,Alicia slave to Dodger & Beau _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From Guineapigfilms at aol.com Sun Oct 4 02:00:01 2009 From: Guineapigfilms at aol.com (Guineapigfilms at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 02:00:01 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] Misc: Hungry Piggies Ringtones Message-ID: Dear Lynn, That's so cool, that you've managed to make ringtones of a piggy hollering for food for your cell phone. When Alyssa was younger, she "commandeered" my iMac and made it "wheep wheep Wheep" like hungry, begging piggies whenever it started up! ;-) Love and WHEEEEEEEEEPS. Nancy http://www.carrotwars.com From rj1571 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 4 06:22:28 2009 From: rj1571 at yahoo.co.uk (rj1571) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:22:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Gpdd] [BEHAVIOUR] Lone piggie not coping on her own Message-ID: <943977.64231.qm@web26303.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi ? I wonder if any experienced piggie slaves might have some advise for me please. Last month my beautiful girl Hope had to be put to sleep at the vets after she didn't come through a procedure to have one of her teeth filed down (a whole other sad posting). She left behind her sister Faith who is five and a half years old. ? Faith has always been the nervous one, only coming forward if Hope went first. Now she is on her own she isn't coping very well. She spends all her time hiding in her hut and has lost interest in her fresh food. She is getting a little rommaine lettuce but only coming out at night when she is sure no-one will disturb her. ? She looks so sad and I have exhausted the treats and fresh?titbits I have tried to tempt her with. She seems so lonely but I made a decision when they were little that they didn't like being picked up and as they are not toys I did not force this on them so she is not happy for me to pick her up and cuddle her, and she just hides further if I sit and try to reassure her. At her age I feel that she is too old for me to introduce a new friend to her but does anyone have any suggestions I what I could do to enrich her life or how I might reassure her that she can feel safe on her own? ? ? ? Beki ? From juwles at bigpond.com Sun Oct 4 11:00:17 2009 From: juwles at bigpond.com (Julie Juwles Johnson) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:00:17 +1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge - My BELOVED DONALD Message-ID: Hello to all GPDD friends, It is with very heavy, shattered, broken heart that I write to let you all know that on Friday 2 October, @ 12.35pm, I had to help my Donald to the Bridge. He had fought a valiant battle, but I knew his time had arrived, and he needed his mummy to prove how very very much she loved him by putting him out of his misery. On Thursday, 1 Oct, at about 1pm, he'd eaten 41 vials of mash & critical care for lunch. I tried to feed him again around 6pm, but when I put the syringe in his mouth all the food would come back out, including a lot of saliva. I thought maybe it was too soon to feed him again after such a big meal earlier, so I put him back in his cage with his soul mate Hamish, and tried to feed him again at about 8.30pm. The same thing happened - I put 5 vials into his mouth, and each time the vial would just come dribbling out. He also was drooling, his little beard was wet, so I knew that wasn't a good sign. But, being the stupid fool I am, I thought maybe his teeth are still sore after the trip to the vet the previous day when he had a bit more filed off the molars (both upper & lower). I was wrong. When I woke to feed him on 2 October, he was not interested in food, his little chin was very wet, and he was making a grinding noise continually with his teeth - not the normal grinding sound, but it had a very hollow ring to it. It had a miserable sound to it - like he was really in pain and suffering. I rang the vet, he said if he's not even swallowing his saliva, then that would mean Donald had given up his fight and I should bring him in and they would help me help Donald over the Bridge. I have not been able to write before now - for one reason, my eyes have been so swollen I haven't been able to see out of them properly! I am suffering such grief at the moment, it's hard to believe that one day soon I'll feel better. I do however feel better knowing that my beloved Donald is out of his pain, and out of that "teasing frustration" he must have been feeling every time I'd put fresh grass or veges into the cages, and he couldn't participate in eating any of it. I'm trying hard to "pick myself up"..... but every time I lie down I keep hearing Donald's little squeak when that needle went in, knowing I caused that squeak, and know that it was then too late to turn back - I became so terrified I was hysterical there in the vet's office. It's a horrible feeling, knowing one is taking a living creature to the vet, and would be coming home with a lifeless body and once the deed is done there is no turning back. I'm very pleased for my Donald that he's now at peace and out of misery, because he fought a long battle and I love him all the more for it.... he didn't have quality of life, and it tore at my heart strings when I would put grass or veges into the cage, and he would jump out of his bed and just sit over the bowl. In the end, he didn't even bother to sniff at the food, so I knew then he was unhappy. The morning of 2 October, I knew his time had tome and I had to prove my love for him. There's no harder decision to make, because I kept thinking, what if he can get better, etc. You know those doubts we would all have. Luckily for me the vet just whipped Donald out of my hands, took him to the next room, injected him and rushed him back to me in the next room to hold him until he died. He actually was unconscious when I got him back, which was very unusual - and within 5 minutes he was dead. The vet said it should have taken 20 minutes or more, and he said that proved he was a very sick piggy. He's buried under a beautiful magnolia outside the kitchen window, so when I'm washing the dishes, I can see my boy's final resting place. I'm so much missing him - when I used to cuddle him, he'd start tugging at my shirt to let me know he wanted to do wee wees and to put him back in his bed. He'd give me little kisses - I used to call him Julio Iglesias when he was a bubby the way he'd be tugging at my clothes and kissing me!. When I was syringe feeding him, he'd snuggle his head into my arm or my chest, or stood with two feet on my arm, just wanting to be touched and held by his mummy. He knew there was something happening that day he went to the vet. He knew it was different. I couldn't stop bawling, and my Mum drove me to the vet whilst I hugged my boy to my shoulder. He pulled a couple of times on my t-shirt, and maybe that was his way of communicating his pain and suffering to me, or maybe he was saying thank you or goodbye. Who knows? But, he was all about in his bed, fidgety - normally when I took him to the vet he never moved in his bed. After the event, I took some of his beautiful hair and have tied it into a bow, as a keepsake. I also had my sister help me paint the soles of his little feet, and I took an impression on to some good paper, and I'll write a memorial to him on one of those pieces of paper - and put photos on the others and then frame them. I want to send a thank you card to the vets who cared for him, because they really did care in the true sense of the world. They may not be cavy savvy (they're much better after the experience with Donald), but they care with their hearts. I must say - they never charged for any of their services, not even when they put Donald to sleep. I think that it amazing in this day and age of "business". I will eventually get around to putting a memorial on to the Rainbow Bridge site, but that could be some time off yet. I still haven't done Archie's or Dougall's or Brandy's memorial - and they all passed away 2 years ago. I'm now down to 8 piggies (my sister still has Hamish, who was Donald's best friend in the universe - he has adenocarcinoma but he's outlived little Donald). We introduced them to Honey whilst Donald was still around, because we knew Hamish would fret (he had previously been fretting so his teeth were growing the wrong way, but that was quickly fixed and no problems since). We also put Donald's lifeless body beside Hamish, so that Hamish would know what had happened to his little mate and wouldn't fret, but would move on. Hamish has since moved on, he's getting on well with Honey, thank the Lord. Not like he did with Donald - I don't think their love can ever be recreated. I haven't read any GPDD posts for days now, so I know I'm way behind and have a lot of catching up to do - when I'm up to it. I just can't read the Digests in case there's sad news in them - I just can't take any more sadness at this time. I want to say a huge thank you to you all for your love, your compassion, your suggestion and thoughts, your support, your caring. I've got so many beautiful and informative emails - they will fill a book, and I fully intend to make that book too! I especially want to say a personal thank you to Carole, who tried tirelessly to help me, being the go-between between Vedra and me, researching so much for me, writing such long and informative and helpful email messages - all that going on whilst she was losing her own beloved piggy, and she never said a word to me about that! That is the sign of a true, caring friend and a most wonderful human being - putting someone else (a stranger from downunder really), before her own needs and problems. I want to say thank you to Ann Evans.... who is a wonderful, kind, caring person, who sent me important information on dentistry in piggies, on euthanasia methods, and even more importantly sent me heaps of love and support. And then comes Glynis - sending me Oxbow pellets to try to tempt Donald into eating, always inquiring as to how Donald was, and sending me loving support and friendship. I wish I could have "rewarded" all you lovely people by having a happy ending to this saga, because I feel you all deserved to have a "win", you've all been so helpful and loving and caring and kind. I've lost my Donald........ but I am indeed blessed in being a part of this wonderful group and having made such beautiful friends. May God Bless you all, and keep you and your beloved piggies and other animals safe, happy, and healthy. God Bless Julie (minus Donald) From wildgreenearth at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 12:59:50 2009 From: wildgreenearth at gmail.com (Allison) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:59:50 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [MISC] I just joined the list and wanted to say hello! Message-ID: <460a43220910040959n4cc8f08fi745e33b80ba0ae75@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone! I'm so excited to have found this digest. I just wanted to introduce my little piggies, Mochachino (a.k.a. Chino) and Baron Bean von Cuddlybottom (a.k.a. Bean). My name is Allison, and we all live happily in Maryland. I've had the boys for over 2 years, and I have yet to cage them together. The reason being that I did house Bean with another male, and I'm not sure what happened, but I came home one day, and Brenie, the other piggy, had died (I'll spare you the details). So since then, I'm really afraid to put Bean & Chino together. Once I see one of them getting ready to mount the other, I freak out and put them back in their separate cages. I heard that unless they're neutered, they will always be aggressive. I'm sure there's a plethora of information in the archives, so I'm looking forward to going back and reading through back entries. Hope you are having a wonderful day, Allison & the bunnies (as I affectionately call them. I realized I was saying "sweeties" and "cuties" too much :-P) From warmbreath at comcast.net Sun Oct 4 14:06:57 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:06:57 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd {Health) [E. Cuniculi] References: Message-ID: I think we need to change the subject of this thread as we have been asked to not post more about e.c. right now, and your piggies problem isn't e.c. from what I've seen. Baytril for 5 days seems short If your piggie has other symptoms ot or off feed idea, so you can get the right antibiotic with the right bacteria for a good cure. One reason vets tend not to do them on piggies is that so few antibiotics work for them they just go straight to baytril, but sometime Chloramphenicol is a better fit or a couple others work on specific bacteria so I think your plan is excellent, and back on baytril in the meantime is what I would do. It's worrisome that symptoms are advancing, we dont want him to get pneumonia. Read up on www.guinealynyx.info they have the list of permissible meds. and see if you can weigh him daily. The sooner your vet trip the better, and take the list of antibiotics with you, good luck Sandy and Sammy From warmbreath at comcast.net Sun Oct 4 14:12:28 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:12:28 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge - My BELOVED DONALD References: Message-ID: Oh Julie!!! I am so desperately sorry, I will have a cry too, then I will write again, probably off line but I wanted you to know your misery is shared, the world has a hole it now without him, and you tried so hard, I'm so very sorry Sandy and Shipwreck Sam From ebak at ca.inter.net Sun Oct 4 14:15:56 2009 From: ebak at ca.inter.net (Evelyn Baker) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:15:56 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [Behavior] Lonely Guinea Pig - Faith Message-ID: Although Faith is an older pig, you might want to try getting a companion for her. When Wilbur, my older girl pig died, Emily her younger companion who lived in a separate cage, still went into a depression. We got a pair of young guinea pigs. Although she was not fond of them, her mood picked up. We kept them in a separate cage, but it definitely did help Emily. Emily loved to be picked up and cuddled and eat. Obviously Faith is a pig's pig rather than a people pig. I think some kind of companion would be helpful to her. Evelyn From calliope at geeksnet.com Sun Oct 4 14:35:21 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:35:21 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] ANNOUNCEMENT: adoption day wishes, Princess Snowflake Message-ID: <4AC8EAE9.5040300@geeksnet.com> We would like to send very Happy 2nd Adoption Day wishes to Princess Snowflake! Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 4 18:08:39 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] Misc: Faith Message-ID: <639627.22416.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Beki, Sorry for your loss of Hope. Its hard on a piggie when they lose a cage mate. I sometimes think they keep looking for their cage mate as our dear Ned does for his beloved Lavern... I?do ?have? a piggie... that has a "friend" that isn't another piggie.. but a stuffed little white polar bear. About the size of the beanie babies.. Its a well made one that doesn't have any parts that can come off and is made of soft stuff in the inside no beans or anything small he could eat.. and it is washed each week. My piggie Lazarus? doesn't get along with other piggies? but he loves his "special" friend.. he will lay by it, snuggle it, and even push it in his hut at nite.. I really think he thinks its a real friend.. so just a idea.. don't know how Faith would feel about?a stuffed animal friend, ?but its what works for our Lazarus.? Keeping Faith in our thoughts and prayers. jean (misfits) ? From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 4 18:20:58 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Puff's new vet and mite treatment Message-ID: <870594.55497.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had a feeling that we were to go to a different vet's, a major reason being that I'm not sure I could walk through the doors of the other vets' without sobbing. I had a very good feeling about Dr. Sanchez, having heard of her skills from techs she works with. She works at two different offices, doing a lot of exotics surgeries. The other office she works at is run by my all-time favorite vet who saw me through a lot of illness when I had birdsback when my driving wasn't so limited. After meeting Dr. Sanchez, I'm pretty sure we'll stick with her. She cleaned out Hershey's ears, administered a carefully measured dose of Revolution. She couldn't guarantee Revolution's affect on EC, as they usually use albendazole, but, since the drops are in the same family as ivermectin, there's a good chance it will. I like the fact that she was honest about not knowing. ? She determined?Puff was quite underweight at (Yipee! More Critical Care!!), and we talked at length about bun diseases. She made it clear that Bun and Puff are not to be housed in the same room--yes, she does belive it was E cuniculi that killed poor Hershey, and we talked about other precautions like sterilizing Bun's litterbox regularly. We also discussed bordetella risks, and that titres are usually run in pairs over time to see where the disease is headed, or, if symptoms outbreak, more often. ? She spent quite awhile examining Puff's privates and got nothing to protrude, but she still questions Puff's sex. Doesn't matter; her cage is decked out in blue. The tech fell in love with Puff. She has chinchillas, but they don't seem to be as interactive?with her?as piggies. The office staff, when they heard Puff the Magic Piggie's name called, all had to see her and gushed over her. I think we left there with a couple people hankering for piggies. One gal said she?got her first one and it will certainly not be her last. ? The vet and tech handled Puff with kindness and respect, and I felt respected as well. It was a very positive experience (for a change). Even better, Puff's already stopped scratching. ? We'll go back in a couple weeks for the next dose. ? Thanks for listening to the?rambling of a new piggie mom, Joanie From warmbreath at comcast.net Sun Oct 4 16:34:29 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] [MISC] I just joined the list and wanted to say hello! References: <460a43220910040959n4cc8f08fi745e33b80ba0ae75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59108BF5B3494811A9A4A8711C9477D3@SNADY> Welcome aboard, Allison, Bean and Chino. We are happy you are here. The first step in bonding 2 males, neutered or not, is to live side by side so they get used to one another, and can touch noses if they want. there are several steps to a successful bonding, and once bonded they can become serious partners neutered or not. It's easier if one is a baby, but in any case there are several steps and much supervision till you are sure they are bonded, that can follow. Neutered is better but not always necessary, but its hard to know which must be neutered for it to work, but we can work on the details as we get to know one another. So first things first. a hearty welcome Sandy and Shipwreck Sam From rzm.2 at verizon.net Sun Oct 4 20:08:58 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:08:58 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- lonely piggie Message-ID: Beki- It sounds like Faith is definitely mourning her sister Hope. You could try getting a very young female friend for her. Her mothering instincts may kick in & give her something to love & care for, thus getting her more back into life. I would also try to keep working very slowly with her to try to get her to trust you & let you maybe hold her eventually. Try sitting next to the cage & just talking softly to her a few times a day so she eventually associates that nothing bad will happen when you are there. Piggies are very social so I'm sure she is very lonely. Her age doesn't help either. She is probably set in her ways, I would imagine. I don't know if maybe a stuffed animal to cuddle with would help or not. It would have to be something animal safe. Maybe others will have better suggestions. I hope things get better soon. Keep us updated. ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 5 13:06:07 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Puff's weight Message-ID: <1184.61047.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Whooops! I left a sentence unfinished. Her weight is 7oz or 210g, as I recall. The vet wants her at 250g. We're working at it. Where's a good place to find a scale for weighing piggies, and what's an average price for one here in the states? Joanie From wildgreenearth at gmail.com Mon Oct 5 17:08:24 2009 From: wildgreenearth at gmail.com (Allison) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:08:24 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [MISC] Hellos to Julie & Sandy Message-ID: <460a43220910051408i7cee53d2ocfccab9cbd3bab1e@mail.gmail.com> Julie, I'm so sorry to hear about Donald. I'm glad I joined the list in time to read a little about him. What a sweetheart. Sending good wishes to you and the family.... Sandy and Shipwreck Sam, thanks for the advice! Bean & Chino have been living side by side for about 2 years now, and they do notice and squeak when the other isn't there. So perhaps it *is* time I started to see if they are interested in playing together :) ~Allison, Bean & Chino From ffarkas1961 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 5 15:30:34 2009 From: ffarkas1961 at yahoo.com (Frank Farkas) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] Care Message-ID: <161720.80052.qm@web46216.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Can I use Baby shampoo on my guinea Pig? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rzm.2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 5 19:07:55 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:07:55 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- condolences Message-ID: Julie- I just want to say I'm so sorry about Donald. I feel like I lost one of my own. He was such a sweet, brave little guy. Every morning I would say a prayer for you & him & all the other piggies & people who need them right now. I'm sorry it wasn't meant to come true. You're so very brave. He was lucky to have such a wonderful mommy as you. I couldn't bring myself to be with my piggies when they put them down. I am not as brave as you. You are a wonderful friend to me & I just want you to know my heart is with you. Hugs... ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From rzm.2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 5 19:21:46 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:21:46 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- welcomes Message-ID: <578623AC00FB49628AB57A3F2464E3AF@chirpyPC> Welcome Allison, Chino & Bean! This is a great place to learn lots of good info on your piggies. Even if they can't live together, you can still keep their cages next to each others so they can chat & keep each other company. Look forward to hearing more about your piggies. ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From rzm.2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 5 19:27:21 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:27:21 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- Puff Message-ID: <18A10E54346146169D82A83D840AA83E@chirpyPC> Congratulations on Puff''s first successful trip to the vets. I hope this vet works out for you & you & Gary are doing ok. Hugs to Puff! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From warmbreath at comcast.net Mon Oct 5 21:32:00 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:32:00 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] [MISC] Hellos to Julie & Sandy References: <460a43220910051408i7cee53d2ocfccab9cbd3bab1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <04964EC243F24019B0C4A266852D29D6@SNADY> Dear Allison, Well then, you may know all this but I will repeat for newcomers. Bonding is best started in a neutral place, I have a walk-in shower, and I put a huge salad in the middle. The piggies should be hungry. There will be lots of activity; rumblestrutting, jockeying for position, teeth chattering, nose and butt touching, even mild fighting, mounting etc. One has to become the kingpin, the other, acceptance as the second member of the pair. Let them go through all this, sit very close, don't leave for a minute, but dont talk or distract them, they have to work through this, your only role is the setup and then rescue if necessary. If a real fight breaks out, not a skirmish, immediately throw a thick towel over them, console anyone who is upset. Then put them back in their cages, side by side, and try again, even many times, unless huge fights break out immediately every time. With Sammy (who was just a tiny mote) and Manny, a great hairy monster in comparison, all the above happened except no real fight, the end was when Manny mounted Sammy ( who disappeared) for just a second, then Sam went around and incredibly, mounted Manny (a mouse on elephant moment), both events a millisecond with no other "activity" After that they companionably turned to the salad which they had noticed before. I think they got the necessary parts over with quickly so they could eat. This was the very "easy scenario" there are middle ones, and ones that never resolve. If you are successful, then the happy couple must move into a suitably large cage, 2 need a lot more room than one, and to prevent bullying, there should be 2 of everything in the cage down to 2 water bottles, pigloos, food dish, hay piles, everything. Lotsa luck with your pair Sandy and Shipwreck Sam From warmbreath at comcast.net Mon Oct 5 21:45:51 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:45:51 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Puff's weight References: <1184.61047.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57D228615438436BBFB3B7660056D490@SNADY> use a kitchen scale, the one recommend by Americas' Test Kitchen (PBS) is the Oxo Food Scale, it is a good design as its a flat plate, not tall enough for piggie to jump out and get hurt. Put a container on it that will hold Puff, set it to zero, then add Puff, and measure. Some spring type kitchen scales actually come with a container for placing the pig (or dry goods for baking) in. Spring loaded is less accurate than a digital scale.The Oxo is a expensive but your baked good, made with weighed ingredients instead of volume, will be much better. Sandy and Shipwreck Sam From Glynis at garnay.com.au Tue Oct 6 01:07:20 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:07:20 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Condolences for Donald Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF9232210A8@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Dear Julie i'm not sure if you've seen my personal message as yet, i'm sure your eyes are still red raw from crying. Again the girls and i want to send you MEGA hugs and loves, whee know how much you, your sister and mum tried for dear Donald xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Carole and Ann have been just brilliant the number of emails i also had from Carole on suggestions and thoughts, she was just fantastic. Yes i think your vet Debbie tried her best, her love for you both was something of comfort for you as well. Donald i know by now you're playing with all your family and friends from gpdd, say hi to Sully and Duke, gosh you were a little battler, you loved your mummy so much you tried even harder. You'll NEVER be forgotten, i know my girls and i hold you in the highest of regards a true friend of ours. Bye sweet man take care, please look down and send some much needed loves and kisses for your mummy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Once again it's so lovely to see so many people have helped and supported another of our dear gpdd friends. Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Tue Oct 6 01:14:06 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:14:06 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Welcome Allison, Bean and Chino Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF9232210A9@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Oh i love their names SO CUTE !! Welcome to the gpdd, you'll find us a friendly bunch scattered across the world. Your little guys sound just delightful, try not to stress about them not living together. Bonding piggies is not always easy, some just prefer other friends, some are happy to bond quickly and some just prefer to live on their own. We had two boys who loved to live together but then one started humping the other more than necessary which started upsetting them both, so we separated them by a mesh divider, they spent many many days, hours and years side by side chatting away. I did let them have play time together tho each day, there was some rumbles but not much else i think they learnt to live side by side happily. Hope to chat to you more, Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Tue Oct 6 01:16:31 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:16:31 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] 2nd Adoption Day for PS Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF9232210AA@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> WOW Princess Snowflake is it now 2 years since you went to your most wonderful forever home? What a delightful time i'm sure PS has had :o) I know we've all enjoyed hearing about her little ways and growing up and then getting a new friend. CONGRATULATIONS Princess Snowflake on your 2 year Adoption Day xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The girls want to know what extra super duper treaties you got ? (they giggling like mad asking this question, i think they know you'd have been spoilt !!!) Loves Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 6 13:42:10 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] rainbow bridge: Donald Message-ID: <840986.87238.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dearest Julie, I am sending all our deepest sympathies to you for the loss of your?dear Donald. It breaks my heart to read when ever one of ?our deer little bundles of pure love has to leave us to the bridge.Little Donald is a brave little man and your a brave loving mommie to know his needs.?I am thinking of little Donald over the bridge enjoying all the endless supply of goodies and meeting up with all of the furbabies that have passed before him. I know he is sending your his love from above and he wants you to know how blessed he?is to have you as his mommie. Donald will always be with you in your heart. Sadly sitting here crying for your pain and praying for peace for you Julie, Jean (misfits) From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 6 14:11:57 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] Misc: Welcome Allison Message-ID: <369371.53603.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A big friendly welcome from all of us at misfit ville in a little town called Moline, IL. We look forward to hearing all about you? Chino and Bean! I am sure you will have wonderful stories for us to read about your two boys:)? At misfit ville we have all ages of both girls and boys. We do have two boys that lived together. A interesting story on how those two came to be best friends:)? Its our little Yetti and Biff.? They "think" they are brothers... but in reality they don't look a thing alike and they are not brothers...? When Yetti came to us.. he was only three weeks old.. a very small thin little fellow that was to be destroyed due to?his hair? stuck up on his back.. We thought it looked like a perfect shaped heart.. The breeder wanted to destroy him as he breathed funny and was all skinny. but we offered to "buy" him for the same price as his? other prized Himalayans. We were there actually getting a female for a cage mate for a female that we had taken in that had been staved, when my daughter noticed "Yetti" in a corner of his cage.. so small..?so?we took Yetti home and placed?him in with?Amanda who is the?mother of Biff and Alana as she was still nursing them. Amanda also came from the breeder.. she was used to breed for snake food.. The breeder was selling out his stock and we bought his "saddest cases"?? Amanda came to hour home very??pregnant already.She? gave birth about a week after being at our home but lost one of her babies during birth but Biff and Alana came out fine. So Amanda had her "three" babies with Yetti!!.. so that is how Biff and Yetti became brothers and are still best of friends.. they are both smaller built piggies and really doesn't have any desires to mate each other... Biff only has one?male "bag" down there?and yetti is so small I dont think he ever went thru adolescent stages.So they get along great. But our other males all live in their own cages but side by side and spend many hours talking and nose touching:) Its a crazy interesting little group we have here.. All sad cases.. but we give them lots of love? as you will read on the digest that is what all of us do best!! we love our Piggies so much and we help each other when one of them is sick, and we rejoice when a piggie has a special day or special bday:) and we console each other when we have a piggie join the others over the bridge. SO a big big welcome Allison so much knowledge in this group of piggie loving friends:) jean (misfits) From gapeachge at yahoo.com Tue Oct 6 15:01:33 2009 From: gapeachge at yahoo.com (Glenda English) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Puff's weight Message-ID: <22467.47787.qm@web58002.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Joan, I ordered a good quality food scale from Target to weigh my piglets. Wal Mart has some good ones too. Mine was around $20 I think, and it's about the size of a computer mouse pad. It stands about 2 inches high, and the area where you place the stuff to be weighed is the same size as the scale. Since my piglets wouldn't stand still, I put a kitchen towel-lined plastic colander on the scale, zero it out according to the directions, then place the pig in the colander. It works out really well and they didn't seem to mind. They don't like being carried to the kitchen though, since that usually means bath, which they get about every other month. Hope this helps. Glenda and the girls (Cookie, Ruby, Tessa, Ginger and Dorie) From mfug at live.co.uk Tue Oct 6 15:24:45 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:24:45 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] Announcement; Welcome Message-ID: A big welcome to Alisson, Bean and Chino, we look forward to hearing all about you. We are sure you will love being here this is a great online global network of friends. M, Fugly and Spooky From mfug at live.co.uk Tue Oct 6 15:27:35 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:27:35 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge; Donald Message-ID: Julie we are so sorry to hear that little Donald has left you and your remaining boys for life over the rainbow bridge. We all know as does Donald that you did everything you could for him and that although letting him go broke your heart you did it so he could be pain free and at peace. Run free Donald with friends old and new. Julie our thoughts are with you at this sad time, cherish your boys and enjoy your good memories of Donald. M, Fugly and Spooky From mfug at live.co.uk Tue Oct 6 15:32:43 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:32:43 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] Health; Puffs weight Message-ID: Joanie, we are glad you have found a vet you are happy with and who really does seem to care about your furbabies that is what you need. When I took Fugly to the vet with his fungal ear infection she asked how Spooky was doing, she had treated him weeks before for his diarrhoea problem and yet she remembered. For weighing the boys I use a digital kitchen scale the type with a flat glass plate I then use a tupperware container that I sit the boys in and then I cross my fingers they will stay still long enough for me to get a reading. Spooky is fine but Fugly does like escaping. Wishing you all the best in helping your little girl gain weight. M, Fugly and Spooky From Glynis at garnay.com.au Tue Oct 6 19:48:18 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:48:18 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Shampoo for Piggies Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF9232210BA@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> GIDDAY FRANK !! It's me Glynis and the girls xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx OH i hope somebody else can answer your question, i read thru that info you looked up about skin thickness it does make you wonder! Take care and chat to you soon, Glynis, Velvet Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From tmacallister at musician.org Tue Oct 6 23:08:58 2009 From: tmacallister at musician.org (Tiffany MacAllister) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Gpdd] [Rainbow Bridge] Hershey Message-ID: <20091007030858.E1AAA1CE833@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> Oh Joanie! I only just found the time to catch up on the digest, and I see this. I'm so sorry! All the condolences in the world! Love Tiffy, S'mores, Zoot, Kitties, Fishies, Tortoise, and their new unnamed abby brother. -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From tmacallister at musician.org Tue Oct 6 23:15:06 2009 From: tmacallister at musician.org (Tiffany MacAllister) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Gpdd] [Rainbow Bridge] Donald Message-ID: <20091007031506.24168326702@ws1-8.us4.outblaze.com> Julie- ?I am sorry to hear about Donald! It seems like so many piggies are dying these days, but I guess that is just life. If I remember correctly, you had another piggie die of something similar? I guess it never gets any easier, but it sounds nice that you can always see him while you do the dishes. Love Tiffy, S'mores, Zoot, Kitties, Fishies, Tortoise, and the new unamed abby brother -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From tmacallister at musician.org Tue Oct 6 23:24:09 2009 From: tmacallister at musician.org (Tiffany MacAllister) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:24:09 -0500 Subject: [Gpdd] [Announcement] Welcome newcomers! (And a new arrival of my own!) Message-ID: <20091007032409.174741CE833@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com> ?Hi Allison, Bean, and Chino! ?Very lovely to meet you! I have heard the whether or not you neuter a boar, makes no difference in how they'll get along, but I could be wrong. ?If it does make a difference, it would have been had you done it when they were still young. My boys get along perfectly. I think it has to do with their cage size, the fact that they are both cheerful gents, and the way I introduced them. Clean cage and bath time to make them both smell the same. I watched them closely and there was mounting, circling, chin raising, then snuggling together because they heard a loud noise and got scared. I think your boys can be mixed, but I would be extra careful due to the way your other boy met his end. ?And just so I don't fill up the digest with all of my posts, I'm doubling this one up. I went to the fair today, with the secret motive of falling in love with another boy. He's a red abby and he is just gorgeous. I have him in an old cage right now, and in a few weeks I'll start introducing him to the boys. I've always wanted an abby, and also a piggie with some color other than just black and white (though I do love my black and white boys). He's the sweetest little thing, and when the lady (his breeder!) but him in my arms, even she said "Look, you're a perfect match!" (his coat matched mine ;-]). Love Tiffy, S'mores, Zoot, Kitties, Fishies, Tortoise, and the unnamed abby brother Ps. Any suggestions on names are appreciated. So far we have "Cinnamon" or "Pumpkin" because of his color. -- An Excellent Credit Score is 750 See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 7 14:00:36 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: Welcome Tiffanys new little boy Message-ID: <762528.57831.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A big welcome to your new little boy. He will whisper his name in your ear when you least expect it...??He sounds like a perfect?little ?cutie:) Looking forward to learning his name:) jean(misfits) From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 7 13:55:05 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: Sweet Donald Message-ID: <103968.74652.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It sure is hard when we fight so hard on our little friends' behalf and then have to send them to their true home there on the Bridge. I can't let myself see this as a failure, but, rather, a passage. I hope you sense the relief of having done right by Donald every step of the way, even the faltering ones. It's been?one and a half weeks now without my Hershey, and I'm winding down after all the struggle and pain, feeling the dull ache of depression rather than the stabbing pain of loss. I think it's really important to do something nice for ourselves right now. I'm going to try. I hope you will, too. Joanie From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 7 14:04:26 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] BEHAVIOR: Puff's becoming friendly! Message-ID: <489044.60433.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Puff has gone out of her way to cheer me up. She's the most vocal piggie I've ever had, and I like talking with her, as she often answers me. She definitely knows my voice. She's eating out of my hand and has taken food from my sister and husband as well. Puff's a reservoir of joy, bounding and squeaking, especially during my prayer time. I can't tell you how she's enhanced my spiritual life! I'm so grateful to have her friendship. Now comes the scary part for both of us. I have to start picking her up and handling her. It's so hard, physically imposing my will on little, breakable creatures, especially after having dropped the wriggling Hershey a number of times way back as a piglet when I tried to pick her up and carry her. This is a whole new experience, and a God-sent one at that. I love that little Puff! Joanie . From angela at lunaclick.net Wed Oct 7 16:16:09 2009 From: angela at lunaclick.net (Angela Taylor) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:16:09 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] BEHAVIOR: Puff's becoming friendly! In-Reply-To: <489044.60433.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <489044.60433.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ===== That little Puff reminds me of Mona. :) She's always been a little chatterbox, and so affectionate once she got over her baby jitters. She's the most polite out of our three, and she always seems to say "please" and "thank you" at the appropriate times, hehe. She has boundless energy and drives Mimi NUTS when they play together. We like to say it's karma, since when we first brought Mimi home, she was a little hellion to Isis. :p ~*~ Angela, Peter, and the Guinea Goddesses Isis, Artemis (Mimi), and Pomona (Mona) ===== From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 7 17:22:58 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Puff's gender?? Message-ID: <697102.5443.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Do female piggies drag their bottoms on the ground to scent mark favored sleeping sites (in her case, a fuzzy yellow "puff tent" designed for?parakeets to roost in)? I'm more and more convinced that Puff's a boy. Are there other behavioral traits that could give me a clue until the next vet visit? I'd sure like to know. I've only had pigettes, so I don't have much to go by. Joanie From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 7 18:19:54 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: How much Vitamin C for Puff? Message-ID: <428043.43807.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just got a new bottle of Oxbow C tablets, 50 mg, to be exact. How much does a 7 oz (210 g) piggie need? Will overdosing give her the runs? I sure hope she loves it the way Hershey did. Morning vitamins were a big deal for both the Bun and the Hersh. Hopefully, it'll be a happy ritual for Puff, too. Joanie From calliope at geeksnet.com Wed Oct 7 22:26:19 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:26:19 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] CARE: shampoo for guinea pigs Message-ID: <4ACD4DCB.9080807@geeksnet.com> Frank, you can indeed use baby shampoo to wash guinea pigs. You don't need much at all, especially if your piggie is not really dirty. Often all a piggie needs is a "butt bath." Do be careful not to get water in your piggie's face and make sure the water is neither too hot nor too cold. Towel your piggie off gently and use a hair dryer set on low. Your piggie might not like the sound of the dryer, so take things slowly. Make sure the dryer is not too close to the piggie. If the dryer feels too hot on your hand, it might be too hot for the piggie. If this is the first time you've bathed and dried your pig, you might want to sit on the floor as you dry him/her, in case he or she tries to jump off your lap. I'm sure others will have more suggestions. When I bathe Tumbleweed or Friday, I set a plastic container in the sink, fill it with just a bit of water, and let them put their front feet in my hand as I bathe them with the other hand. This way the piggie is raised up a bit (in front) out of the water and seems to feel safer. Please let us know if you have any more questions about bathing. Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From warmbreath at comcast.net Thu Oct 8 01:39:09 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:39:09 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: How much Vitamin C for Puff? References: <428043.43807.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4237D286213E41D1A19B361A49B17D2D@SNADY> I would give her half a tab till she's bigger. I teach piggies to eat them by eating the other half in front of them, actually that's how I teach them to eat anything, (except hay and pellets and, they dont seem to need help there). In nature the babies learn to eat exactly what their mum does, that way they dont eat anything poisonous. The Oxbow lady has another suggestion, she says dont make it a big deal. just put it in the cage, maybe food bowl, and leave, she says piggie will find it and eat it eventually. Since Sammy was resistant to both I tried putting a half into his mouth, while he is standing normally, but behind the front teeth, but not so far back he chokes, he then eats it. And to prove he was a good boy he turned around and took a bite out of my Vit C colored keyboard, then he looked at ME with that "look" since keyboard doesn't taste nice like Vit C. OH well! Sandy From warmbreath at comcast.net Thu Oct 8 02:03:14 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Puff's gender?? References: <697102.5443.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <37902EFDC71042B58631728B53392E6B@SNADY> Look on www.guinealynx.info, http://www.guinealynx.info/sexing_pups.html very accurate pic of male vs. female. Its usually clear from birth,or shortly thereafter, but hey, gender anomalies happen. Butt dragging usually happens in pigs reaching sexual maturity, sometimes females, but usually in dominant she-pigs when they have something to prove. If a sow suddenly starts mounting it could be a hormone or cyst problem, Not so much in babies though. What did the vet say, she must have looked. Sandy From mfug at live.co.uk Fri Oct 9 02:54:14 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 07:54:14 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] Health; Is Puff a Boy Message-ID: Hi Joanie, check out the cavy spirit sexing page they have photos from really young age so you can compare Puff http://www.cavyspirit.com/sexing.htm When Puff gets older it will become more obvious what sex she/he is. Good luck it sounds like Puff is just what you need at the moment. Spooky is my vocal boy, and boy can he shout, often for no reason at all, well no reason obvious to humans. M From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 9 09:46:24 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 06:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] BEHAVOIR: PUFF Message-ID: <980105.2706.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I do have a female guinea pig? that does the rumble strut and she does drag her bottom around sometimes too.We at first thought she was a he too, but she is a she:)?She doesnt do this all the time, just once in a while..? I guess Puff is keeping you guessing on his/her sex type.? We have? both boys and girls here. and I must say I love them both equally:)? So whatever Puff turns out to be it will be just fine. Sure sounds like Puff is a busy little guinea for you:) :)? Cant wait to hear more about Puff:) Jean (misfits) From DaPiggyPirates at aol.com Sat Oct 10 01:42:31 2009 From: DaPiggyPirates at aol.com (DaPiggyPirates at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:42:31 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] Misc. Slight Update/ Alge Message-ID: Hi All, Sorry I haven't been in touch for so long but want to thank you for the wonderful e-cards, cards, notes and gifts. You, my GPDD friends, have been one of my major links with life. Also, I thank Sandy and Da Piggy Pirates for getting the word out. Had PET Scan early this AM (everything has again moving at too sluggish a pace and I am in pain! Ouch! Some cancers hurt!) Then shortly after the PET Scan, I managed to make arrangements (with the help of a several kind and accommodating hospital and imagining center employees + doctors phoned at home) to get into hospital this up and coming Monday -- the 12th. Don't know what time I'm to arrive tho! Does that show you where my head is? Actually, I've had weeks of waiting: first for surgery, then test results, followed by several appointments suddenly clustered around the central and SE part of state, and then this PET Scan delay which postponed everything from the first part of last week to the last day of this week. This was the first time slot available. (PET scan facility not always available.) At this point. I will be glad to go in and get this 2-part treatment started. Funny - 2 years ago I got a lap top to take with me when I had lung transplant (which probably will never happen now) but I don't have it properly programed or whatever for its use now. Can't email from it anywhere but home. Maybe I can get one of my daughters to email something in for me to one of you and you could post it? (She can also collect my email and print and bring it to me.) Again, thank you all for for your wonderful letters. One day I will reply. Sorry to cut this so short. I want to again apologize for my absence but da Piggy Pirates are moving back and forth between ship and home and say that all the piggies are doing likewise and having a grand time. One way or another, you'll heart from me soon. You are indeed a fantastic group of people and piggies. Hugs to all, Alge and Da Piggy Pirates From elmga at hotmail.com Sat Oct 10 09:25:57 2009 From: elmga at hotmail.com (ellen garrison) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:25:57 -1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd: [Health]: (Mercy the guinea pig) Message-ID: Hi everyone, I went to our local animal shelter yesterday, as I volunteer to pick up the fixed feral cats from time to time, from the cat colony that we help maintain (i.e., trap, neuter, spay, return). I asked them if they had any guinea pigs. Yes, they had two. I went out to see, as the are in hutches outside near the cat building, housed with rabbits and rats (if they have any of these.) There was just one piggie left; the other had been adopted. This piggie was so sick. I could tell immediately just by looking at him. I don't know what they were doing just waiting as he was not well: very crusty, squinty narrow eyes, diarrhea, with poop stuck on two of his front "fingers". I told them I wanted to get him, and they just gave him to me. That was it. I did have to fill out the paperwork, but they seemed to know he was not well. I took him home and gave him critical care, vitamin C, and topical baytril for the eyes. He cannot eat. He tries but cannot. He is very sweet. I did not realize how poorly he was. I named him Mercy. His teeth: the only ones I can see being the front four, look overgrown. I have given him tiny syringes of pedialyte (electrolite replacement for babies), and keep trying to syringe critical care. He looks like he was a big guinea pig, but he weighs two pounds. that is a little less than 1 kg. I cleaned his behind and his nails and trimmed them. he started to clean himself. he seemed grateful someone took notice. I am very certain that tomorrow, before I go to work (I work a swing shift, 2 to 10 pm) if he does not poop or 'pee' I need to take him to the vet to have him humanely euthanized. It is sad that this has to happen, but he has not once pooped nor peed since I got him, which was 11 hours ago, and I have to go to work tomorrow and I can't just leave him to suffer. I keep trying to give him critical care and water. He tried to eat hay and a piece of apple, but i think his teeth are giving him trouble. he could not swallow. I knew he had diarrhea because his towel in the hutch was messy. But even with the critical care and a good probiotic called Jarro dophilus with FOS, no poop yet. I think he may have been extremely dehydrated. I don't know if he has bladder stones, but i have been giving him little massages and he only makes little grunting noises. He almost sounds like a rabbit. I will keep you posted; please send some good energy to Mercy. thanks, Ellen _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft?s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From elmga at hotmail.com Sat Oct 10 11:53:57 2009 From: elmga at hotmail.com (ellen garrison) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:53:57 -1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd: [Health] (Mercy) Message-ID: Some hopeful news: I am continuing the water, critical care, and vit. c. Gave another dose of topical baytril (on the ear lobe, with a finger cot.) using bleach for disinfecting everything and keeping him far enough away from my other piggies that he doesn't breathe on them (no nose contact, and he is about 7 feet away from the closest pig.) Gave all the pigs their daily vegies, this time parsley, tomatoe and cucumber. gave Mercy a couple sprigs parsley, but it's hard for him to eat, just want him to know he is included. He dug into the cucumber though! and I think it feels good on his teeth? I may see about the vet sawing his teeth down. I think that may be the root cause of all his health problems. Any suggestions? Thank you, >From Ellen P.S. what is the name of the instrument used for grinding the rodent teeth? please, anyone ? _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ From elmga at hotmail.com Sat Oct 10 11:59:20 2009 From: elmga at hotmail.com (ellen garrison) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:59:20 -1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd: [Health] (Mercy good news) Message-ID: Hi all, Mercy did a pee on the shirt he was sitting on (an old shirt), I have hooked up a small water bottle for him, inside his cage. Also he made a little squeak, so that is reassuring. I tghink the grunts he was making were actually purrs but his throat must have been sore. or something. please keep sending positive thoughts, it is working. thanks, Ellen _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From juwles at bigpond.com Sat Oct 10 08:54:52 2009 From: juwles at bigpond.com (Julie Juwles Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:54:52 +1000 Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: Sweet Donald In-Reply-To: <103968.74652.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <103968.74652.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Joanie I thank you sincerely for your email of comfort & condolences. I haven't been keeping up with the posts very well, but tried to make a start, only to discover you have lost your little Hershey, who you were so sure was coming good. Please accept my sincerest condolences - I know that you know how we are both feeling. It's been a week since Donald's passing, and I've done pretty good all things considered. However, I'm crook at the moment so spending a lot of time in bed, and Donald is always coming to mind, I keep going over those last moments, the sound of his squeak at the injection, and having him pass so quickly that I don't know if he knew I was with him. On the day, I know that Donald knew something different was happening. On the way to the vet I couldn't stop bawling, cuddling him, telling him we would be together one day, etc. Normally he sits quietly in his bed, but he was all jittery, almost like he was excited. Maybe he knew his suffering would soon be over and he'd be at last in paradise with no more worries. I wish we could communicate/talk with our beloved piggies. It has helped me - having 9 other piggies who love and need me. They force me to get out of bed in the morning and to go on as if there was nothing different in my life. But there is....... a huge , huge, huge hole, and my heart is torn asunder. My remaining piggies are giving me so much love and attention - as if they know there's something different, something making mummy sad. My Hugo leaps more than 1 foot to grab on to my shoulder when I go to get him for floor time. He's a great acrobat - I should have called him Jumpin' Jack Flash! Then, my Snowy is now starting to climb to my shoulder (he can't jump, he's too big and heavy), Treacle comes out of his pigloo sitting on my right hand when I put my hand in his pigloo, and Sooty is doing the same now. Kimba just "flops", he's like a rag doll. He snuggles me and falls asleep beside me in bed when I need to lay down, he's the closest thing to a dog. Joey has come to recognise me as his mummy, and gives me little kisses. He was bought from a pet shop on 1 Oct 2008, and was very timid and subdued (he'd been picked on in the cage). He was not at all affectionate, used to bite, etc. But now he snuggles and cuddles like all my piggies do. I thank God for my remaining boys and the joy they continue to bring me, and for giving meaning to my life. I hope that each day gets a bit easier for you to handle Joanie & Gary. "They" say that time cures all....... but I think time just masks our pain and suffering because we all have no choice but to keep on going forward with our lives - we don't forget, we just cope and get on - but our beloved piggies are always there in the background, watching over us, aren't they? Thank you so much for caring and for your message, Warm wishes Julie & Kimba, Joey, Snowdrop, Sooty, Hugo, Honey, Hamish, Wheeky, Treacle, remembering & desperately missing Donald, Brandy, Archie, Dougall, Teddy & Muppet From bunsnpigs at aol.com Sat Oct 10 13:08:36 2009 From: bunsnpigs at aol.com (bunsnpigs at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:08:36 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC: Alge! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC17E3709FB68D-46A0-3996@webmail-m078.sysops.aol.com> Dearest Alge, best of luck to you on Monday. You know we all love you and wish you the best. HUGS and healing wheeks to you. Judi Lainer Metropolitan Guinea Pig Rescue http://www.mgpr.org House Rabbit Society Fosterer/Educator MD/DC/NoVA http://www.rabbitsinthehouse.org http://www.rabbit.org From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 10 17:54:51 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] MISC.: Get well wishes for Alge Message-ID: <471916.39667.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It was so good to hear from you. We all miss you and love you very much. Puff and I are praying for your health issues. In case you haven't heard, she's my prayer piggie who sings little songs while I'm at my Bible or prayer list. Most of my requests are in pencil. Yours is in blue ink. We aim to keep it up as long as it takes! Joanie and Puff the Magic Piggie And Hershey from the Bridge From jez_84 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 11 13:48:58 2009 From: jez_84 at hotmail.com (John Zimmer) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:48:58 -0500 Subject: [Gpdd] [GPDD] Condolences On Donald's Passing Message-ID: Dear Julie, When I had to take my Henry to the Vet to help him to the Bridge, he too seemed to know/sense what was "coming". (I discovered him under the bed in their (the guinea pigs') room, paralyzed. I later learned from my five year old niece that she had been trying to hold him and he had either jumped out of her hands, or she dropped him, and he "scurried" under the bed. She had no idea he was hurt, nor did she tell me about the incident - until some wheeks after I got his ashes back. She was very sad about it, as Henry had been their's until her daddy gave him to me after I lost my Brighteyes. She had always tried to hold him and cuddle with him when they had him, too, and Henry was not afraid of her and LOVED the attention. They had had him from a baby, so he never knew what it was like not to be held and cuddled.) In the carride to the Vet, I was cuddling him on my lap in a big fluffy towel, I didn't want him to be jarred and caused any pain, though, he seemed to have no pain. At the Vet, before I allowed the difficult act to be done, I asked the Vet if she would please take some x-rays first, just in case the paralysis was from something treatable - like a calcium deficiency, though, he had a great diet - rather than a break. She agreed. Unfortunately, it was a broken spine and I too said my heartfelt goodbyes to my sweet Henry, telling him I'd be with him again one day; in the meantime, he was going to a WONDERFUL place to join all of my other beloved pet and wild animals waiting there... Henry seemed to understand completely, and even though I know he was suffering, he laid his head on my fingers and licked them. The end came quickly and painlessly for him, not so for me, of course. I sat with his lifeless body for almost an hour before I could stop bawling... Bawling even now as I write this and it has been two years... Attached below is the link to pictures of my Henry with my dog Precious, who absolutely loved him. She was a rescue dog, herself, rescued the same day I had to say goodbye to my sweet Lady and I got her the next day. (Since GPDD doesn't post photos, here is a link to their photos on MySpace, www.myspace.com/gossimer, Precious and Henry are the first three pics of row two on page six. These were the last pictures I took of my beloved Henry, before I took him to the Vet...) I've since read somewhere - AND IT'S TRUE - that the best way to get over the loss of a beloved pet is to get another one. Precious helped me through the grief of lossing Lady. Just as Henry and two other rescued guinea pigs, Ariel and Xena (mother and daughter) renamed Mama Bear and Baby Bear, because I couldn't remember which one was which by their previous names, helped me get over the loss of my Brighteyes. In opening our hearts to our beloved pets, we are opening ourselves to eventual pain, as well. We share that pain with one and other everytime a fellow pet lover suffers a loss. Julie, to you, and to all here who know that pain all too well, my thoughts and prayers are with you and yours. God's peace, mercy, love and blessings be with you and everyone, everyday, forever and always. John, Precious, Poppy, Honey and Tia (I have yet to post photos of Poppy, Honey and Tia, THEY'RE COMING, I promise!) :) P.S. Here is a link I've posted before which gives me peace, hope and comfort, as well as tears, about The Rainbow Bridge, http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html From Guineapigfilms at aol.com Sun Oct 11 16:45:37 2009 From: Guineapigfilms at aol.com (Guineapigfilms at aol.com) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:45:37 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] Misc: Get Well Wishes for Alge Message-ID: Dearest Alge, You have always been the heart and soul of this listserv, and we are all pulling for you to get better. Think of all the piggy lovers and little piggy paws all waving frantically in your behalf! I hope that you got our package by now, and that it cheered you. We will be thinking about you and praying for you. Thanks for always being such a wonderful friend to me, Alyssa, and Alyssa's guinea pig movie business. Love and WHEEEEEEEEEPS, Nancy, Alyssa & the guinea pig movie stars (plus Otto, the very vocal TV-personality piggy) http://www.carrotwars.com From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 11 18:43:24 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] MISC.: Puff's first photo shoot Message-ID: <175625.15714.qm@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am blessed to have a beloved sister, Annie,?who's a professional photographer as well as my very bestest friend. Today we got quite a few shots of the Puff, including of me holding her, which went very well until she (Puff) decided to crawl up my neck and vault off my back. We managed to catch her before she ran under the bed. We used her Puff tent to capture her, as it was familiar and, therefore, appealing to her. I hated becoming the predator in order to keep her from harm. Now she won't even look at me. Puff's in a huff. Interestingly, she talked softly?while I was holding her just like Hershey used to do on my lap. My sister and I sensed a lot of love there, coupled with genuine curiousity. Now the question is, how do I regain her trust? Is there such a thing, in a piggie's eyes,?as a good predator (that would be me)? Joanie ? From elmga at hotmail.com Mon Oct 12 07:53:58 2009 From: elmga at hotmail.com (ellen garrison) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:53:58 -1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd: [Rainbow Bridge] (Mercy) Message-ID: Dear friends, It is with a heavy heart that in the last moments of piggie Mercy's lifetime, he was assisted humanely to Rainbow Bridge. Having only had him for approximately 44 hours, he was not able to poop in that time and having malocclusion of the rodent teeth, he would have slowly starved to death. My vet is a specialist but she does not trim teeth unless they are under anesthesia. when i went on guinea lynx, they listed the ones (vets) who had that special training and none are listed where i live (Hawaii ---farthest mass of land from any place in the world, out in the middle of the North Pacific.) Thank you to Sandy also, your email on the buchol separator, God only knows how it is spelled--i found a pigture of it on guinea linx, and i do not think my vet Dr. Cindy uses this and I would like to show her the photo, anyway poor Mercy wanted to eat, wanted carrot, apple, etc. but could not chew, could not drink, could not swallow critical care well at all, I believe he had an abcess on his gums or jaw or throat, and a definite infection; he could not swallow, he tried to swallow the food, I found broccoli I had given him hours before way in his little throat when i was giving him the critical care with a tiny syringe which was hard since he had such a hard time swallowing anything there must have been an obstruction there somewhere, i felt a trigger point in his jaw [it could have been an abcess at any rate it was throbbing], i felt his teeth from the outside and definitely molar overgrowth was there. Dr. Cindy would have filed and clipped his teeth if i could get his gut to function, and he was already thin. I work full time, I could not be around to feed him, i had tried topical baytril but don't know if it would help. to the extent that he was ill, he had also labored breathing. i really think he was getting ready to die poignantly due to the neglect of careless people. I think he was very grateful that he learned that people love guinea pigs, that in his last hours he knew human love and friendship. Also i know that there was a being that assisted him on the 'other side', just as i was the being who assisted him on 'this' side. Animals give unconditional [unconditional] love. As for the animal shelter, I do think they were careless but they are also clueless and oblivious. I mean, really clue-free. No one there is really trained in exotics. they put mercy in a hutch with food and water and a pigloo and a towel. there was diahrrea on the towel. he did not poop once in my care, as he must have been dehydrated in the day and cold at night. I think i did get the dehydration down as he could drink small amounts of water, but i could not do this ---24/7, the quality of his life, ad nauseum. I never asked them how long he had there. It could have been days. he only cared that someone loved him in the end, i could tell. Now, I have my others to tend to. Off I go to do some piggie holding and hugging. when i get the hang of pigtures i will include some of my long-haired clan. the Great Spirits' love and forgiveness, we are Ellen, Rufie, Kaloey, Cheyenie, Sammie-girl, Angel-boy, Sheila, Hina'u, Li'l Red Saphire, Cocoa, Merary-Ary Bandit, and the bunny Darla _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 12 11:48:01 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: Mercy Message-ID: <439951.66402.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Ellen, Little Mercy is one lucky piggie to have you find him. We are all praying hard here at Misfitville for him. Almost all of our piggies are like little Mercy.. sad little stories... Mercy will know true love now that he has you.? It breaks our hearts to?read of such sad stories.. but we all know they are out there just waiting for us to rescue them. One of our saddest stories is our piggie Alexandrea.? She was a starved piggie that our vet honestly didnt think would make it thru the nite.Her family couldnt keep her as they were flood victims and could barely? feed themselves..?She was just bones and skin.. so sad.. she couldnt even hold her little head up.. But with lots of cc and love and more love.. she is one of our most beautiful piggie now. Praying hard for you little Mercy. jean and the misfits From mfug at live.co.uk Mon Oct 12 02:51:54 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:51:54 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] health; Mercy Message-ID: We are sending loads of healing thoughts and wheeks for Mercy. Ellen you are an angel for taking him on. We hope that he is still doing well today and that once his teeth are sorted he will be a happy, healthy lad M, Fugly + Spooky From warmbreath at comcast.net Mon Oct 12 04:02:41 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:02:41 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd: [Health] (Mercy good news) References: Message-ID: It sounds like it might possibly be bladder stones, he would need an x-ray and they can be successfully treated, there is a link about bladder stones at the top of every digest. The squeak is pain from when they are stuck or are passing. If it blocked his urethra it would have blocked his pee, this is very dangerous. If this is it he must have Vet care, only a vet can tell Sandy From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 12 16:26:24 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] MISC.: Photos Message-ID: <432215.81835.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If anyone is feeling downhearted, I recommend getting on My Space and looking up John's photos of his furry family. Seeing his beloved dog "grazing" lettuce with her piggie pals was a piece of Heaven, where the lion and the lamb are friends at last. His My Space account is listed in his last email, in the last installment of the Digest. Those of us who've been with the list for awhile will recognize Mama Bear and Baby Bear along with Henry. Such precious beings! I'd like to urge everyone to take a few photos of your furkids. I wish I'd taken more of Hershey. It's strange, but it warms my heart to see her in her glory days. Instead of reminding me of my loss, it reminds me of what we had and will someday have again. This might not work for everyone, but it has for me. From rzm.2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 12 21:48:56 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:48:56 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- Puff in a huff! Message-ID: <6FAA6401DB334F3AB951070FC8545105@chirpyPC> Joanie- I can't wait to see pics of Puff! As far as trusting you, I mean no disrespect to our sweet piggies, but I don't think they have the greatest memories. Present her with a few treats & she'll probably forget all about it! I've had to corral Mimi from some odd places before too & she was just fine later on. No grudges! Hugs to you all! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From Glynis at garnay.com.au Mon Oct 12 21:38:16 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:38:16 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Puff regaining trust Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF9232210E8@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Joanie don't berate yourself, our little ones are quite squittish anyways. I'm sure with heaps of TLC, loads of treats and hours of patience she'll be your snuggly girl again. I found that sitting on the ground with treats on and around me was a way of gaining trust.........meanwhile talk softly and make a noise that she'll recognise as her sound. For the girls i'm always saying hello Princesses or where's my little Prinnies? (sounds weird but they come out to see me each time!) I always do a sing song voice in the mornings when i first go down to see them, singing GOOD MORNING PRINCESSES :o) I'm sure they learn that means Mummy slave is coming to clean and oh boy treats as well! So just give it time love and don't worry HUGS xxxxxxxxxxxx Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Mon Oct 12 21:42:59 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:42:59 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Condolences for Mercy Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF9232210E9@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Oh nooooo this is so so sad, Ellen i had hoped and wished that Mercy would be ok :o( RIP Mercy run free at the bridge sweet little man, popcorn with friends from gpdd and enjoy the lush grass, where you are now is a pain free place, just fun and food xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))))))) and loves from us all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Even tho Mercy was with you for such a short time, it was the love and care that Mercy will always remember, i'm sure he's smiling down on you now xxxxxxxxxxxxx Another little star now twinkling in the sky .......... :o( Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Mon Oct 12 21:51:34 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:51:34 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] One year has passed....... Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF9232210EA@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Since my darling little man Dukey boy went to the bridge. He passed on yesterday 12th October, it was a horrible day and i didn't sleep the night before, all the memories came back, the only thing that kept me going thru the night was to cuddle his soft toy Brownie Bear (yes named after our dear friend BB, Leah's baby) I hugged the girls and told them i was sad about their big brother, i'm sure they knew as Onyx gave me the longest cuddle. I'd also like to thank once again so many of you who've been such a great support to me, THANKYOU xxxxxxxxxx Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From leah.mcneil at wachovia.com Tue Oct 13 09:18:03 2009 From: leah.mcneil at wachovia.com (leah.mcneil at wachovia.com) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:18:03 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] Announce: Princess Snowflake & Bertie Pig's Birthday Website!!! Message-ID: Hello Piggies & Slaves! First, I would like to say THANK YOU soooo much for the B-Day wishes for both of my little piggies!!! They had a Wonderful B-Day month (in September) and your kind wishes made it even that much Better...Wheeeek! You can see them yourselves enjoying their Special Days at: http://home.roadrunner.com/~lconsuela/Birthday2009.html ENJOY!!! Love 'n Wheeeeeeeeeeps, Leah...Slave to the B-Day Piggies, Princess Snowflake & Bertie Pig :-) From jocelynm at umich.edu Tue Oct 13 10:31:52 2009 From: jocelynm at umich.edu (Anderson, Jocelyn M) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:31:52 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [MISC] Piggy Video Message-ID: <3AF9B038A6B07641B36C799ED4EBB0D704CC9A6B5B@ITCS-ECLS-1-VS3.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu> Hello All, I'd like to share a video I made of my piggies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8s1x4wbZRA ! The arena is split in two because of piggy problems. I recently enlarged the piggy arena so that they all have ample room. Edgeworth has been back to his sassy piggy self since the split, running around and popcorning. I wish they could all get along, but as long as they're happy, I'm happy! Jocelyn, Flashbang Fatbottom, Edgeworth, and Benito From calliope at geeksnet.com Tue Oct 13 13:31:07 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:31:07 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: very belated condolences, Soulage and Sable In-Reply-To: <4ABFCD79.8030000@geeksnet.com> References: <4ABFCD79.8030000@geeksnet.com> Message-ID: <4AD4B95B.1070701@geeksnet.com> Joanne, Spicy, Merri, Macie, Teddy, Baci and Sweetie, thank you for letting us know that two of Debbie's piggies recently passed away. We often think of Debbie, Pete, and their piggies, and it was with much sadness that we read of the passings of Soulage and Sable. Yes, we, too, miss Debbie's postings. She knew each of the Dolly Mixtures so well and took such care to make sure that every piggie was happy and was placed with a piggie or piggies of like personality. How touching that Pete felt that Debbie must have needed Soulage and that's why Soulage left for the Bridge. It sounds as though Sable also felt the need to be with Debbie or to make sure Soulage had piggie company on the other side. They were both such lucky girls to be beloved members of the Dolly Mixtures. Please extend our belated condolences to Pete on their passings. Our thoughts and prayers are with all sick piggies and their families. Sadly, Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From calliope at geeksnet.com Tue Oct 13 13:36:52 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:36:52 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC.: Corrine and Snowy Bear Message-ID: <4AD4BAB4.6080102@geeksnet.com> Corrine, it does seem uncanny that you had kidney-stone problems and surgery that were so much like Snowy Bear's bladder stone problems. We are so glad that you made it to the hospital in the nick of time and that you're on the road to recovery. It sounds as though you knew Snowy Bear was watching over you as you had such a scary experience in the ER. Please take care and get well soon. Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From calliope at geeksnet.com Tue Oct 13 13:44:38 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:44:38 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] Misc. Slight Update/ Alge Message-ID: <4AD4BC86.6040409@geeksnet.com> Alge and Da Piggy Pirates, thank you so much for the update. Please don't apologize for not writing sooner; we know you have so much going on. We imagine you are in the hospital now, and we are sending all good wishes for your surgery. Yes, we're sure that any of us would be happy to post anything from you that your daughters would send to us. Take care and know you are in the thoughts of everyone on the Digest. Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From gracetheface at yahoo.com Tue Oct 13 16:17:17 2009 From: gracetheface at yahoo.com (grace ramp) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <550683.14668.qm@web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To all of you who have lost a beloved piggie these past few weeks, my deepest sympathy. I get all choked up when I read how sick these sweet little creatures are and I thank my lucky stars that I have the most wonderful, caring vet in the world. Anyone in the NYC area should go to Dr. Salas at Animal Kind in Brooklyn. She is wonderful. I have two new additions to my group and I'll write more on them at another time. Grace, Gus, Rusty, Babe, Sugar and Baby (with Oreo and Porkster at the Bridge) From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 13 18:10:04 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] rainbow bridge: Mercy Message-ID: <842174.78022.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh dear little Mercy we are so glad you found Ellen and knew true love before you passed on to the wonderful place over the bridge of no pain, old age,?or hungry tummies. Run free little Mercy! You have touched many lives? her on the digest??with your? piggie story that Ellen shared with us of finding you and loving you enough to not let you suffer anymore.? Enjoy all the bridge has to offer you little one. R.I.P? Jean (misfits)? From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 13 19:09:53 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: Duke Message-ID: <476642.37139.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh Glynis, I am so sorry for the pain you are feeling for the loss of Duke.?It hurts because love does hurt sometimes. Know?he loved you as much as you loved him. Our hearts?do feel raw?with pain??when the anniversary day of our beloved babies death rolls around. Know that he is watching over you from the bridge and know he is sending his love to you on these hard days. He wants you to remember the good days of cuddles and love.:) and know he will be there waiting for you when the day comes that you two are reunited again. thinking of you Glynis and wishing you peace, jean(misfits) ? From cazza177 at ntlworld.com Wed Oct 14 07:57:54 2009 From: cazza177 at ntlworld.com (Cazza177) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:57:54 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] [Announcement] Guinea pig petition Message-ID: I just found this petition on Care2 to stop the killing of guinea pigs for food. I hope you will want to sign, and PLEASE forward to your friends as well. Thank you. Carole http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/we-do-not-want-to-eat-guinea-pigs Here's another at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-guinea-pig-cruelty From Guineapigfilms at aol.com Wed Oct 14 15:41:14 2009 From: Guineapigfilms at aol.com (Guineapigfilms at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:41:14 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] Announcement: Re: Princess Snowflake's & Bertie Pig's Birthday Site! Message-ID: Oh Leah! Wheeee were alternately laughing and sighing when wheee looked through your birthday website. Sooooo cute and soooooo funny and soooooo sweet! Was there ever a more beautiful princess than the regal Princess Snowflake, with hair so white that it looks almost pink? ;-) And in the pic where they're hungry for their birthday feast, it looks as if little Bertie has a bemused smile on his face. Thanks so much for sharing! Your piggies are absolutely adorable and so are your webpages! Love and WHEEEEEEEEEEEPS, Nancy & Alyssa and the guinea pig movie stars and Otto, the very vocal TV star piggy From piggyfriends at tesco.net Wed Oct 14 16:10:25 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:10:25 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Condolences for Donald Message-ID: <42D9AF1591C84F698DBC9CCF82B0F256@inspiron1150> Julie, I am sorry that this is late but we have been away on holiday and I am only now catching up on my missed Digests. I just wanted to add my most sincere condolences on the loss of your precious Donald. In my last post before we went away, I hoped that he was recovering and it was with great sadness that I have just read that he has passed on to the Rainbow Bridge. I know how heartbroken you must be and want to send you all of our love and loads of virtual hugs. Take care. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From piggyfriends at tesco.net Wed Oct 14 16:23:09 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:23:09 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Condolences for Mercy Message-ID: <43E208AE06244BBC968E1578C88F97B0@inspiron1150> Ellen, I have only just read the sad story of Mercy, having been away for a couple of weeks. Poor little piggy. I am so glad that you came into his life so that he knew what love is. As I read each of your posts I was so hoping for a happy ending, as I know all the other GPDD members will have been. Hoping that a vet with a set of buccal pad separators would step in at the eleventh hour. If only all vets were versed in the use of these wonderful instruments. Nothing that I can say will help. I am just pleased that you were there for the little piggy when he needed you. R.I.P. little Mercy. Sadly, Penny and the Piggyfriends. From rzm.2 at verizon.net Wed Oct 14 20:19:51 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:19:51 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] SILLY- piggie video Message-ID: Jocelyn- That was so cool! I love the walking pigloo! Thanks for sharing, it brightened up my day! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From piggyfriends at tesco.net Wed Oct 14 17:57:40 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:57:40 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] SILLY- piggy video Message-ID: Jocelyn, Your piggy video is charming, especially the moving pigloo. It was so good to see a fun post amidst the gloom and sadness. It is a shame that Edgeworth cannot join in the game but at least he can watch from his side of the wire. Thank you for sharing. Love and hugs to your dear little boys. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 14 19:00:19 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] Misc: Jocelyn's Piggie video Message-ID: <738481.46259.qm@web80203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ?Jocelyn, Your piggies are darling!! Look forward to more video's! Jean (misfits) From calliope at geeksnet.com Wed Oct 14 19:11:09 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:11:09 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: belated condolences, Hershey Message-ID: <4AD65A8D.8060004@geeksnet.com> Joanie and Gary, we had so hoped that Hershey would make it, and our hearts sank when she passed to the Bridge. Please know that you did all your best for her; your love came through each word of every post as you tried so hard to get her well. You were certainly on a roller coaster as you dealt with her stasis and other problems, and we are so very sorry. We were on a roller coaster with our Sunshine, who passed away two years ago after two surgeries to remove bladder stones. Sometimes, despite our best efforts, it is just not meant to be that our little ones remain with us. Thank you for your beautiful eulogy. How touching to read that she became so trusting when she became ill and that she would go up to Gary and rest her paws on his arm as if to thank him. How sweet, too, to read of how she played a miniature symphony with her three bells. Yes, we have no doubt that you enriched her life as much as she enriched yours. Hershey was a very lucky girl. Please accept our belated condolences on her passing. We also send best wishes to Puff and the Bun. Our thoughts and prayers are with all sick piggies and their families. Sadly, Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From calliope at geeksnet.com Wed Oct 14 19:18:47 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:18:47 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: belated condolences, Donald Message-ID: <4AD65C57.5040101@geeksnet.com> Julie, we had high hopes that Donald would get well, and we felt such sadness to hear that he had passed away. We have "been there," and we know how hard it must have been when he ate so well in the afternoon and then didn't want to eat that evening. We've also experienced having to make the decision to humanely help a piggie to the Bridge, and our piggie, Sunshine, like Donald, understood what was happening. Our hearts go out to you, and we hope it will lift at least a bit of sadness from you in knowing that we have sat with a piggie in our arms, after having made such a very difficult decision. Please be assured that by that act, you did indeed prove your love to him, though he already knew the depth of your love. That is the important thing -- he was surrounded by your devotion throughout his life. Donald went to the Bridge from the safety of your arms, having no doubt how much you cared for him and how tirelessly you worked to get him well. What a lucky boy. Thank you for sharing some of your memories of him, such as how he snuggled his head into your arms as you syringe-fed him and how he would give your little kisses. So sweet. We send our belated condolences on his passing. We also send best wishes to his best friend, Hamish. Our thoughts and prayers are with all sick piggies and their families. Sadly, Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From calliope at geeksnet.com Wed Oct 14 19:25:38 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: belated condolences, Hope Message-ID: <4AD65DF2.8050403@geeksnet.com> Beki, please accept our belated condolences on Hope's passing. We are so very sorry to hear that she had to be put to sleep at the vet's during a procedure to have her teeth filed down. We know this was such a shock for you, and we are so very sorry that this happened. We hope you know that Hope enjoyed all of her days with you and her buddy, Faith, and that she was a lucky girl to be so loved. In regard to Faith, we don't think it would be too late to introduce a new friend to her. When our first piggie, Rippley, was almost five, she got a new friend, Calliope, and was very happy. Please do keep us posted on what you decide and how Faith is doing. We send her best wishes. Our thoughts and prayers are with all sick piggies and their families. Sadly, Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From juwles at bigpond.com Thu Oct 15 00:58:36 2009 From: juwles at bigpond.com (Julie Juwles Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:58:36 +1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Miscellaneous: ALGE Message-ID: <8865CDDFCADF4043BC1F0C66B1D964FF@JuliePC> I am so far behind with my digest posts..... and have just discovered an email re Alge being in hospital. I need to go back over past posts to find out what is happening...... but I wanted to quickly respond to say my best wishes are with you Alge, that everything works out for you, and that you are soon home from hospital with your beloved piggies. God Bless Julie and her darling boys - Wheeky, Sooty, Snowdrop, Joey, Kimba, Treacle, Hugo, Honey & Hamish {remembering my darlings - Donald, Brandy, Archie, Dougall, Teddy & Muppet, forever in my heart and soul - desperately & despairingly missed) Happy moments, praise God Difficult moments, seek God Quiet moments, worship God Painful moments, trust God Every moment, thank God From mfug at live.co.uk Thu Oct 15 02:49:24 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:49:24 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge; Mercy Message-ID: Ellen we are so sorry there was nothing you could do for Mercy at least in his last few hours he knew what love was. Sometimes the best we can do for our little friends is to help them escape from pain and suffering. Run free little Mercy with all your new friends M, Fugly and Spooky From mfug at live.co.uk Thu Oct 15 02:50:32 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:50:32 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] misc; piggy video Message-ID: Jocelyn, I love the video of the boys so cute, I love how they run about chasing each other. M From juwles at bigpond.com Thu Oct 15 06:28:16 2009 From: juwles at bigpond.com (Julie Juwles Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:28:16 +1000 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] One year has passed....... In-Reply-To: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF9232210EA@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> References: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF9232210EA@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Message-ID: <8D35335E9DFA46769B85EF6367728A2A@JuliePC> Dear Glynis You will know that I understand totally how you are feeling on the anniversary of the passing of your beloved Duke. It's just over 2 years since I lost Dougall, then Archie, then Brandy - and each year doesn't get any easier. It helps to have other piggies to look after and to help divert one's attention from the sadness of the occasion. It will be 2 weeks tomorrow since my little Donald left me. I miss him no less, and have found myself crying every time some wonderful, caring, GPDD friend sends me beautiful emails of condolences. My thoughts and prayers are with you, as always, Love Julie xxxxxxxxx and her darling boys - Wheeky, Sooty, Snowdrop, Joey, Kimba, Treacle, Hugo, Honey & Hamish {remembering my other beloved darlings - Donald, Brandy, Archie, Dougall, Teddy & Muppet, forever in my heart and soul - desperately & despairingly missed) ----- Original Message ----- From: Glynis Robson To: gpdd at gpdd.org Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] One year has passed....... Since my darling little man Dukey boy went to the bridge. He passed on yesterday 12th October, it was a horrible day and i didn't sleep the night before, all the memories came back, the only thing that kept me going thru the night was to cuddle his soft toy Brownie Bear (yes named after our dear friend BB, Leah's baby) I hugged the girls and told them i was sad about their big brother, i'm sure they knew as Onyx gave me the longest cuddle. I'd also like to thank once again so many of you who've been such a great support to me, THANKYOU xxxxxxxxxx Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From juwles at bigpond.com Thu Oct 15 06:43:42 2009 From: juwles at bigpond.com (Julie Juwles Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:43:42 +1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd: [Rainbow Bridge] (Mercy) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Ellen My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry to read of little Mercy's last hours - but they were very precious hours in his mind, I'm positive. Piggies do love unconditionally, and deserve the best care a slave (human) can give. And, geez, they return that care & love more than a million times over. There's nothing nicer or more comforting than a loving piggy cuddle. I'm so pleased you found him and were able to make his last days comforting and as comfortable as you could. Thank you so much for what you did for that little guy - it means a great deal to all piggy slaves to know how much their masters are loved. Tomorrow will be 2 weeks since I helped my Donald to the Rainbow Bridge, for pretty much the same thing as Mercy. He had teeth problems and desperately wanted to eat, but after many vet visits we just couldn't fix whatever it was. In the end, he stopped taking the syringe and I knew his time had come - and that my time had come to prove my love for him by helping him to the Bridge. I am grateful that I had a caring vet who knew how much pain I was in having to do the "deed", so he whipped Donald away whilst he gave him the needle then rushed back so I could nurse Donald lovingly until he passed over the Bridge. It was a very quick procedure, the vet said Donald passed much more quickly than normal, so he obviously was a very sick piggy. (I must say that this vet never charged a thing for all his services over the 2 months of Donald's sickness - he did it all "pro bono". I just supplied the bucchal pad separators and bone rongeurs, and the vet did the work. I have been helped greatly by having 9 more piggies left to care and love for. Goodness knows what I would have been like if I didn't have the diversion of my other piggies. God Bless you Ellen and your remaining piggies, Julie and her darling boys - Wheeky, Sooty, Snowdrop, Joey, Kimba, Treacle, Hugo, Honey & Hamish {remembering my darlings - Donald, Brandy, Archie, Dougall, Teddy & Muppet, forever in my heart and soul - desperately & despairingly missed) From yikes888 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 08:38:45 2009 From: yikes888 at gmail.com (Sandi Korman) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:38:45 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Neutered pig Message-ID: <578d8a800910150538m50ce419er1804b0ec753a6316@mail.gmail.com> My male guinea pig was neutered 2 weeks ago. As per the vets instructions, I was able to introduce him to the girls yesterday. He immediately tried to mount the girls. I've never had a neutered male before and need to know if this is normal. -Sandi From juwles at bigpond.com Thu Oct 15 09:05:11 2009 From: juwles at bigpond.com (Julie Juwles Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:05:11 +1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge, condolences for Donald from Cindy Message-ID: <07EA6D911B45407C924EBEFE9C7B0596@JuliePC> Dear Cindy I tried to send this to your personal email, but every time I try it bounces back at me! So I'm writing via GPDD. Your lovely email has made me cry! Thank you so much for your loving and comforting words. It is good for we slaves to be able to share and talk about our emotions at a time like this, and we are all very blessed in having such beautiful masters, and in having such wonderful GPDD friends. God has given us some wonderful gifts in those two things, hasn't he? God Bless you Cindy, and Tumbleweed and Friday Julie & her remaining boys - Wheeky, Sooty, Snowdrop, Joey, Kimba, Treacle, Hugo, Honey & Hamish {remembering my darlings - Donald, Brandy, Archie, Dougall, Teddy & Muppet, forever in my heart and soul - desperately & despairingly missed) Happy moments, praise God Difficult moments, seek God Quiet moments, worship God Painful moments, trust God Every moment, thank God From mfug at live.co.uk Thu Oct 15 02:47:55 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:47:55 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] Misc; Chatroom Message-ID: Just to let the newbies know we have a chat room where you can talk about your piggies and anything else http://xat.com/piggypeople Due to the different time zones we quiet often miss each other, but anyone in the same time zone can arrange a time to meet up and chat with others who can make it. I will be on Friday 30th October from 7pm UK time so if anyone else can make that time pop in and chat to me. M From oreochockc at yahoo.com Thu Oct 15 15:37:46 2009 From: oreochockc at yahoo.com (corrine sakumoto) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Sparkles has soft poo Message-ID: <826140.30578.qm@web112611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Our little Sparkles is a two and a half year female, dark brown, with some brindle, and a splash of 'caramel' who has had soft poo for about two months now. We started treating her with arrowroot powder, banana, BeneBac -- basically, 'natural' stuff. Then, if you've kept up with the GPDD, you know that stuff happened with me, so she kind of was still treated the same, but I was the 'main concern.' Then Monday, Oct. 5th, she went to the vet's who did a quick test on her poo but found no parasites. He put her on Sulfatrim. After a couple of days, her poos started to firm up and after a week, she began to produce normal poos. I wanted her to be seen again, so this time the vet did a 'floater test' (not sure on the term) and he said that since she's producing normal poos to stop the Sulfatrim, so we did. He called with the results to say that he couldn't find any parasites or anything unusual in her poo (the floater test). A day later, she began to have soft mushy poo again. Since we had a little Sulfatrim left, we gave her the med last night and again this morning (we follow the doses two hours later with a dose of BeneBac) and her poo is firming up again. Any idea on what could be causing this? The vet suggested cutting back on her fresh veggies. She's the 'spokespig' letting everyone know that 'fresh food is coming!!!!' to everyone else and well, she loves her fresh veggies. I know I should be hard hearted when needed but seeing her stand up, and well, if I am unable to feed her fresh veggies, really tears my heart apart. Besides, even with her 'regular' fresh veggies while taking the Sulfatrim, she was okay and produced normal poos. Any thoughts and suggestions would be most appreciated. Thanks!! Corrine and Michael From piggyfriends at tesco.net Thu Oct 15 13:56:00 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:56:00 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Neutered pig References: <578d8a800910150538m50ce419er1804b0ec753a6316@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <90F60956F20C41BCA4E2FB7FB0B9BAF4@inspiron1150> Sandi, It is usually recommended that a neutered boar is kept away from sows for 3-4 weeks after surgery to ensure that all live sperm have died or worked their way out of his system. Neutering will not change his behaviour and he is quite likely to continue to try to mount the sows for some time. Eventually he may settle for a bit of rumbling and posturing. I never have any of my boars neutered as I just pair them up with another boar but, over the years, a few have arrived here already neutered. I have seen two or three that continued to act "boarish" all of their lives. If the girls get fed up with his attentions, he is likely to get a squirt of urine in his face, which is guaranteed to dampen his ardour. Good luck with your boar. Penny and the Piggyfriends. > My male guinea pig was neutered 2 weeks ago. As per the vets > instructions, > I was able to introduce him to the girls yesterday. He immediately tried > to > mount the girls. I've never had a neutered male before and need to know > if > this is normal. > -Sandi > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Gpdd mailing list > Gpdd at gpdd.org > http://gpdd.org/mailman/listinfo/gpdd_gpdd.org > From piggyfriends at tesco.net Thu Oct 15 18:24:41 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:24:41 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Photos Message-ID: <1794ED8D5C17442FBDBFF2868F86AC69@inspiron1150> I am still catching up on my Digests. Thank you to John for sharing the wonderful photos. The interaction between Henry and Precious reminded me of my late lamented dog, Sophie, who loved the piggies. She was so gentle with them, guarding them when they were in the garden, letting them climb into her basket and licking them dry after a shampoo. They were the puppies she never had. I hope that Joanie will share her pigtures of Puff. I do so agree about taking photos of our beloved pets. I have hundreds, no thousands, of photos of the many wonderful animals with whom I have had the privilege of sharing my home over very many years and take great pleasure in looking back at times past. There does come a time when the happy memories outweigh the inevitable sadness of losing them all. They begin with black and white photos of my very first piggies together with some ancient home video of them running around our courtyard, then onto Polaroids. We didn't know at the time that Polaroids would fade to an orangey hue over time but I vividly remember the colour of each and every piggy, bird, fish and, of course, my beloved dogs. Then onto better colour photos and finally a great leap forward with idiot proof digital cameras. Standing on my desk is a digital photo frame that takes memory sticks full of pet photos which gives me joy every time that I switch it on. Thank you also to Leah for the pigtures of Princess Snowflake and Bertie. Such sweet piggies. More Digests to read tomorrow. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From piggyfriends at tesco.net Fri Oct 16 06:34:23 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:34:23 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Welcome Allison, Chino and Bean Message-ID: <9E914C3B466E4B499638D81FBC493CED@inspiron1150> A rather belated welcome to Allison and her piggies ( I have been away and am still catching up with the Digest ). I never have my boars neutered. Too risky and unnecessary ( in my opinion ). An aggressive piggy will always be aggressive whether he is neutered or not so there is no need for any dangerous operations when putting two boars together. I had a piggy called Sam, who came to me already neutered. He was definitely a people pig and refused to share with anypig, even a sow, but loved the company of his next door neighbours, two friendly boars. Two of my adolescents, Polo and Copper, regularly mount each other, seemingly taking turns but there is no malice in it and straight afterwards they are happily munching together and sleep cuddled up side by side. I always pair up my boars. I do this very carefully and slowly and watch them like a mother hen until I am sure that all will be well. Sometimes a new pairing will look each other over, say "let's eat" and go on as if they have always been friends. New piggies arriving here always have a shampoo so if two boars come in at once, this is an ideal way of introducing them. They are so busy investigating the bath together that when they have shared a box of towels for drying it seems that they forget that they didn't know each other before. You could try bathing your boys before attempting an introduction. Always introduce them on neutral territory so that there are no scents to confuse them. It can often be easier to put a baby boar in with an older one, especially if the older one is used to a companion but there is no reason to suppose that your boys will not become firm friends. I like to recommend this website to anyone interested in boars. It is badly written and never encountered a spellchecker but contains all the info that you could possibly need. http://www.susieandpigs.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/home.htm I didn't write it but it saves me a lot of typing! Good luck with your boys. I do hope that all goes well but if it doesn't work, keep them side by side. It is the company that matters. Penny and the Piggyfriends ( a small piggy rescue in England ). From piggyfriends at tesco.net Fri Oct 16 07:45:49 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:45:49 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Welcome Tiffany's new piggy Message-ID: A belated welcome to Tiffany's new red piggy. I love red piggies. I happen to love all colours of piggies but perhaps I have a particular affinity for the reds as I have red hair myself and had all the usual schoolyard nicknames such as Carrot and Ginger. I expect that, by now, this little fellow has chosen his own name and suggestions might be superfluous. I currently have two self red boys, Copper and Garnet. My reds do not always have appropriate names to their colour but past Piggyfriends have included Squirrel, who came already named and Halley, who came into my life at the same time as Halley's Comet was visible in the sky. I had a piggy called Ginger but she came with the name and was not ginger anyway. I had Sonja ( from the film Red Sonja but highly inappropriate for a boar! ) and her sister, Hawthorn, for the red berries. I used the name Holly for one of my cockatiels as he was a Christmas gift. I knew a red piggy called Otis ( from Otis Redding ) but I guess that one would need to be a fan of his music. I am not. Are you going to try to introduce your new boy to form a trio? I have never tried a trio myself for the fear of bullying that usually arises but will be very interested to find out if it works. I know that our Jocelyn used to have a successful trio, which reminds me that she had a gorgeous red boy called Fireball. Regards. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From cazza177 at ntlworld.com Fri Oct 16 14:05:48 2009 From: cazza177 at ntlworld.com (Cazza177) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:05:48 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Sparkles has soft poo Message-ID: Dear Corrine and Michael My BG had this soft pooh issue -- a bit like cow pats. I tried cutting down on greens and it helped a bit, but didn't make the problem go away. I never did figure out exactly what was causing it. I expect you already know this, but lettuce can make a gp's poohs go a bit soft, so maybe try cutting those out for a few days (if you offer them), and see if that makes a difference. I don't know of Sulfatrim, but gp's should never be on drugs for more time that is absoultely necessary as it can cause other issues, such as kidney complaints, so if the issue persists, you could try charcoal powder or charcoal tables. This was suggested to me for BG by Vedra at the Cambridge Cavy Trust. If you use the powder, it should be three quarters of a TEAspoon a day until symtoms improve. If you use the tablets, then three quarters of one of those, once a day until symptoms improve (you can crush the tablet between the backs of two spoons). You can mix the powder (tasteless) with a little mashed banana or Critical Care and syringe in. I had to play around with the dosage a bit with BG, as I found that I could go a few days before needing to offer the charcoal again. (Be aware, Sparkles poohs will appear very dark while on the charcoal). Does she eat a good amount of hay and dried food? If for some reason she has dropped off on eating as much of them, that could be at least part of the reason. As well as the charcoal, you could also try giving Sparkles some probiotics to help with her gut flora, as if that goes a bit awry that can cause soft poohs. I was never keen on the idea of making BG have less fresh veg, but I did cut back on fresh fruit, as that can make a gp loose. I watched BG for ages to see how he ate, and I couldn't see that he wasn't eating the right amounts of all his variety of foods (dry and fresh) the way he always had, and I never got to the bottom (excuse the pun!), of why his poohs got soft. Please keep us in the loop on the Digest of how Sparkles is getting on. Kind regards Carole From ann.evans at hintlink.com Fri Oct 16 18:27:35 2009 From: ann.evans at hintlink.com (Ann Evans) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:27:35 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH]Sparkles has soft poo and need to be wormed Message-ID: <4AD8F357.4050603@hintlink.com> Dear Corrine and the GPDD Family, I think what Sparkles needs is to be wormed. You should have it done at a vet's office because I do not know how well versed you are in using these over the counter worming medications. You can kill your guinea pig if you give it too much Ivermectin. I am not a vet and my advice should not be taken in place of good veterinary advice. This worming protocol was first developed by Vedra Stanley-Spatcher of the Cambridge Cavy Trust. http://www.britishassociationofrodentologists.co.uk/ I have been worming all of my cavies since the 1980's. I feel that it is he correct medicine for Sparkles.Since Sparkles has never been wormed I would give her 5 doses of the Panacur or Valbazen and 2 doses of the Ivermectin 7 days apart. Parasites, internal and external also known as worming protocol. Anyone who has ever owned a cat or dog or horse has had to worm his or her pet. Cavies like horses, sheep, cows and goats are herbivores. All herbivores need to be wormed regularly to kill and control internal and external parasites. Worming your cavy is the best preventative medicine you can provide for your beloved pet. I have been operating a private cavy rescue home for over 25 years. I take in the worst of the worst cases. The ones that the vets say should be euthanized. The cavies that no one will ever want to adopt. Many times a cavy will not survive no matter how hard I try to save its life nor how much money I spend in vet care. But the one question I get asked the most is ?why do your rescued cavies live to be 8-10 years of age?? My answer is that I worm them every 3 months. It is the same answer that Vedra Stanley-Spatcher of the Cambridge Cavy Trust gives when asked the same question. All cavies should be wormed or treated for internal and external parasites. They pick up parasites from the pelleted food, hay and fruits and vegetables that they are fed. They can also get parasites, protozoa, and foreign bacteria from water, other cavies, rabbits, dogs, cats, mice, rats and insects. A cavy?s digestive system is very similar to a sheep?s digestive system. When you feed your cavy hay, which all cavies should get free choice hay everyday, it is no different than you allowing them to graze in a field of hay. The hay that you buy was grown in a field that contains insects in the soil and on the plants and all types of wild animals running through the field. Also, there are birds that fly over and nest in the fields. All of the animals and insects defecate and urinate on the hay. The hay is cut, left to dry in the field and baled. It is not disinfected or irradiated to kill bacteria, parasites and parasite eggs or cysts. The same holds true for all of the ingredients that go into the pelleted food your cavy eats. The hay and grains are held in silos that are infested with insects, rats and mice. Even the bread you buy at the grocery store is allowed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to have so many insect parts and insect eggs/loaf of bread. It is always good to feed your cavies a cup of fresh fruit and vegetables each day. There is no way to remove all the parasites, parasite eggs and bad bacteria from the fruit and vegetables that you feed your cavy. Therefore, all cavies need to be wormed. Worming is both preventative medicine and is used to kill the parasites that your cavy already has. Worming is not going to repair the damage that the parasites may have already done to your cavy?s liver or pancreas or gut but it can stop life-threatening diarrhea caused by parasitic and bacterial infection of the cecum. What worming also does is kill mange mites, rabbit ear mites, liver flukes and an entire list of internal parasites from tapeworms, nematodes, Cyrtosporidium and Giardia to name just a few of the parasites that infect cavies. Parasites can invade the wall of the stomach, small and large intestines and cecum and invade the liver, pancreas and lungs. The walls of the intestines and cecum are one cell thick. Therefore, these parasites may not show up in a fecal test. Giardia, a protozoa has a suction cup that keeps it attached to the gut wall, thus giardia often do not show up in fecal tests. A sheep farmer does not first do a fecal test on the entire herd of sheep. The sheep are wormed on a schedule. This is true of million dollar racehorses. Once again worming is both preventative medicine and kills existing parasites. I never bother to do fecal tests. Parasites release toxins and carry bacteria that interfere in the cecum's ability to process and absorb nutrients. I have treated many cavies that were constantly loosing weight or had soft stools yet they did not have any teeth problems, infections or signs of parasites. I start worming all cavies at 3 months of age. I give orally 0.4 ml 2.5% Panacur = fenbendazole or 0.4 ml 2.5% Valbazen = albendazole. The dose is based on metabolic rate not on body weight and is 10 mg of either of these drugs for 5 days. I also give orally 0.1 ml of 1.0% Ivermectin sterile solution for injection. I give the Ivermectin orally on day 1 and 7. This will cover the mange mites and internal parasite spectrum. Then staring at 6 months of age and then every 3 months for the rest of their lives they get orally 0.2 ml of 1.0% Ivermectin and orally 0.4 ml 2.5% Panacur or 0.4 ml 2.5% Valbazen, one dose of each. Since all my cavies are rescued and sometimes the females are pregnant, I start worming all cavies at 3 months of age and pregnant cavies. Also, while they are in quarantine they get bathed with an anti-parasitic shampoo that contains 0.15% pyrethrins. They get 3 baths 7 days apart, day 1, 7 and 14. The purpose of the baths is to kill lice and ticks and fleas and their eggs. Fleas and ticks also carry parasites that can infect cavies. I work the lather up into their ears to kill mites and lice in the ear canals. I use Adams shampoo for puppies and kittens that contains 0.15% pyrethrins or the Adams D-Limonene Flea & Tick Shampoo. I just use a nickel size amount in the palm of my hand and rub my hands together until I get a good lather and then apply it to the wet cavy. Make sure to work the lather into the ear canals. You can use an ear cleaner/dryer solution after bathing but it is not essential. I then towel and blow-dry on low heat. Ivermectin can be bought from feed stores or the Internet. I always use a sterile needle and syringe to remove the Ivermectin from the bottle. I then expel the Ivermectin into a small plastic shot glass. I aspirate 0.1 ? 0.2 ml using a 1.0 ml syringe. This way I never contaminate the Ivermectin in the original bottle. I have a home in England so I buy Panacur when I am in Cornwall. But I have ordered it from PCP direct http://www.pcpdirect.co.uk/Search.asp They have very reasonable prices and shipping and you will get it in a week. Jeff the pharmacist is very helpful. They take major credit cards. However, you may have to notify your bank that you are going to buy from the UK online so that they approve the charge. PCP also accepts PayPal. First go to the PCP Advice Centre and tell the pharmacist that you want to place an order and pay by PayPal. The pharmacist will get back with you about how to place your order and pay for it using PayPal. My bank charges me a 3% surcharge for a foreign transaction, so you can save money with PayPal. Panacur is a suspension, so must be shaken before dispensing into another shot glass. I use a separate 1.0 ml syringe to administer the Panacur. Panacur is very good at killing parasites and the foreign bacteria that they introduce into the gut. I refrigerate both medications but administer them at room temperature. I hope you find this helpful. In the United Kingdom vets are required to worm cavies if the owner requests that it be done. It the vet refuses to worm the cavy or refer the owner to a vet that will worm the cavy the vet can be charged with animal cruelty. The withholding of preventative treatment until the animal is actually suffering is no longer an acceptable practice. Cheers, Ann and the Rescued Piggys of Piggyville, Tampa Florida USA. From rzm.2 at verizon.net Fri Oct 16 21:39:06 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:39:06 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH- neutered boar Message-ID: Sandi- He's probably just trying to establish dominance. I've never had a neutered boar either, but that would be my guess. ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From Dukejan1 at aol.com Fri Oct 16 23:00:53 2009 From: Dukejan1 at aol.com (Dukejan1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:00:53 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] Health: Re: Sparkles' soft poos Message-ID: Corinne, I'm going through the soft poo adventures with Isabel right now. She's basically on the same drugs. Have you tried giving Sparkles some Critical Care assist feed? It seems to help Isabel. Just a thought, hope it helps Sparkles too! Janet From Dukejan1 at aol.com Fri Oct 16 23:08:51 2009 From: Dukejan1 at aol.com (Dukejan1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:08:51 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] Announce: Luke is Two Years Old Message-ID: Luke is celebrating his second birthday this weekend! He remains a LAPS piggie, is extremely vocal, and loves to watch TV while sitting on his Daddy's shoulder. Happy Birthday Luke! Slave Janet, and sisters Isabel and Lily From warmbreath at comcast.net Sat Oct 17 07:30:20 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 04:30:20 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH]Sparkles has soft poo and need to be wormed References: <4AD8F357.4050603@hintlink.com> Message-ID: <95ADB3B7A065420885817869F806A460@SNADY> I agree completely with Ann, especially when soft poos or diarrhea occur in waves, that represents a new generation of bad guys. Also there are bacterial diseases that can cause diarrhea, and a vet should look into that, I think pasturella, or coccidiae(SP?) but those are usually more violent. It is so rare for piggies to have soft poos, especially cow paddy like ones, it must be taken seriously Charcoal gives symptomatic relief of gas and gobbles toxins but it doesn't get to the root of the problem, like wise small amounts of kaopectate can be given, but I hesitate to even mention it because again it addresses symptoms but not the disease. Check www.guinealynx.info for dosage. But pls keep a vet involved to get to the root of the problem Sandy and Shipwreck Sam From scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 17 11:00:11 2009 From: scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com (scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:00:11 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH] Dillon's Declining...Help! Message-ID: <20091017150011.KBF3A.363940.root@cdptpa-web11-z02> Hi. I hope you can help with Dillon?s health problems. When we rescued him from our local humane society, he had a respiratory infection and swollen glands that our vet treated, and he did fine. A few months later, he had a cyst under his jaw line, which our vet removed under anesthesia, and he was fine after that. Then in June, he started losing weight because his teeth were overgrown, so the vet knocked him out, trimmed his teeth, and for the most part he was OK after that. He didn?t want to eat after the tooth trimming, so I would hand feed him pellets and within two weeks, he was back to normal. In September, it was time for another tooth check, and our vet found that he had some overgrown rear molars, and so she knocked him out again, trimmed his teeth. He hasn?t been healthy since then, and I?m not sure what to do. Right after the procedure, he started snorting and he wouldn?t eat. We weren?t too worried because he didn?t want to eat last time he had his teeth trimmed. When he kept snorting, we brought him back to the vet, and she said that he had nasal congestion and she gave him a week of Baytril and benebac. The respiratory symptoms cleared up, but he?s still not eating and he?s losing weight. On September 21st, he weighed 3.6 pounds. Today he just weighed in at 3.0 pounds. He went back to the vet last Tuesday. She said that he had three sores in his mouth that look like chicken pox. (She didn?t say it was chicken pox, she just used that to describe to us what it looks like.) She gave him Metoclopramide syrup to stimulate his appetite and digestion. She also gave us the recipe to ?water down? children?s aspirin and Tylenol to help with the pain. She gave him injections of vitamin C and a few other things and subcutaneous fluids. On Wednesday, he seemed like he was doing better, but he?s starting to decline again today. He also has really tiny poos now?I think hamsters have larger poos! If you have any suggestions for treating this, I?d sure appreciate it. We?ve gotten a few teaspoons of critical care into him. We tried baby food carrots (he didn?t like it!). I did manage to get him to eat five tiny slices of a baby carrot, and my husband got him to eat five Oxbow Cavy Performance Pellets this morning, so I hope things are looking up. Thanks for your help! ME ? New Smyrna Beach, Florida From scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 17 10:32:06 2009 From: scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com (scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:32:06 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCEMENT] Introducing my piggies Message-ID: <20091017143206.UST18.363666.root@cdptpa-web11-z02> Hi. I?ve been reading your posts for a year now, and I thought it was time to introduce our herd. We rescued Dillon and Donovan from the local humane society in June 2008. We?d never had guinea pigs before, and they have been a wonderful addition to our family. Dillon is a grey and white American short hair and his brother Donovan is an orange and white Abyssinian. Both of my ?big boys? weigh more than 3 pounds, though Dillon is having some health problems that I will post more on later. In May 2009, while buying Oxbow hay at our local pet store, we found our little Puffball (aka Puffy). He was the tiniest little thing, and we thought we?d lose him the first night because he wouldn?t eat and he just shivered in the corner of his cage. Fortunately, that didn?t last long, and he?s turned out to be our most outgoing boy. Like Donovan, Puffy is an orange and white Abyssinian, but he must have some Peruvian in him because his ?tail? fur just grows and grows. We think he?s about six months old now. Everyone seemed happy, except Puffy was in a cage by himself because he didn?t get along with the ?Big Boys?, so we found him a friend. In August, we rescued Cocoa Puff from a ?second chance? rescue in Orlando. He?s a ?special needs? pig. He?s a brown and white Abyssinian with a permanent head tilt and chronic eye problems. We were told that he had Waltzing?s disease and that he was deaf and didn?t vocalize, but our cavy-savvy vet believes that he had a severe ear infection when he was a youngster (he?s eight months old now) and that it wasn?t Waltzing?s disease. He?s turned into a very vocal piggie, he?s just l little quieter than the others. He and Puffy are great friends. We worried about putting him with Cocoa because Puffy was such a bully to the big boys, but he?s so sweet with Cocoa. He grooms him and sits outside Cocoa?s pigloo even though he has his own. Well, that?s our herd. Thanks for all the information that you?ve shared with me over the last year, I?ve really learned a lot! ME ? New Smyrna Beach, Florida From piggyfriends at tesco.net Sat Oct 17 14:34:25 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:34:25 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH Dillon's Declining...Help! Message-ID: Poor Dillon. The sores in his mouth could be oral thrush but eating is hard with a sore mouth anyway. I treat this with Daktarin Oral Gel. I hope that this can be bought in the US - other members will know. It is orange flavoured and piggies love it. Squeeze a small amount of the gel onto a cotton bud and swab it around the mouth two or three times a day. My Sapphire had this last year and it took a couple of weeks of syringe feeding before the thrush cleared up and she was able to feed herself. If you are syringe feeding you need to get a lot more into him. Tiny poos can indicate an insufficient diet. Have you read GL on this subject? http://www.guinealynx.info/handfeeding.html I use a pellet slurry - chinchilla grass pellets soaked and mixed with an equal amount of instant mashed potato is a favourite, followed by water into which a piece of a Vit C tablet has been dissolved. He needs to keep eating or his gut will go into stasis. Even if he does not like the Critical Care, keep persevering. He might like mashed banana, which goes easily down a 1ml syringe. Readybrek instant breakfast is loved too but this may be an England only thing. Any of his usual veggies can be pulverised and syringed. I know that in the US canned pumpkin is used but I have never seen this here. It would need to be pure pumpkin - not flavoured with anything else. Although all of my piggies are enthusiastic carrot eaters, baby food carrot is not always liked for some reason. One that is usually more acceptable is apple and banana, even with those who, when healthy, would not normally touch a banana. Whatever you are giving him, keep at it and always try just one more syringeful before giving up. And then maybe just one more....... They can often be persuaded to take a little more. Give him water after each "meal" to keep his mouth clean. I wonder if anyone knows a rodentologist in your area, who could check his teeth without an anaesthetic. It can only take a tiny bit of offending molar to put them off eating. Some soldier on with the most horrendous teeth but some give up quickly. Sorry this is a bit disjointed but I have to go out now so dashed it off quickly. Best of luck with your little man. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 17 15:51:51 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: reducing greens Message-ID: <858955.51893.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Corrine, Sorry about your piggie with the soft poos. What I did with Hershey when she went from stasis to diarrhea was reduce the amount of greens, but break them into small bits, either spreading them around or feeding each morsel by hand. She thought she was getting just as much (if not more) and was psychologically satisfied instead of feeling deprived. I sooo hope your little girl will be up and eating normally really soon. The fact that she keeps responding to the meds and Benebac sure makes it sound like an infection is at work in her little tummy. I'm praying for her speedy recovery! Joanie From cazza177 at ntlworld.com Sat Oct 17 18:05:20 2009 From: cazza177 at ntlworld.com (Cazza177) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:05:20 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Sparkles has soft poo Message-ID: Dear Cornie and Michael I did mean to ask about if Sparkles had been wormed, but I clear forgot, and would agree with others on the Digest who have said it should be done by a vet (assuming that you haven't already had it done in recent days). BG was up-to-date with his worming, so for him at least, that wasn't the cause of his soft poohs. Kind regards Carole From rzm.2 at verizon.net Sat Oct 17 23:04:20 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:04:20 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- happy b-day Luke Message-ID: Happy 2nd birthday to Luke! May you have many more! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From piggyfriends at tesco.net Sun Oct 18 04:25:46 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:25:46 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Happy Birthday Luke Message-ID: <06CAE835836E4A68AF531EB234315C0B@inspiron1150> The Piggyfriends and I send Happy Birthday wishes to Luke. Have a great day with loads of treats and cuddles. Penny. From selenacanada at yahoo.com Sun Oct 18 11:46:16 2009 From: selenacanada at yahoo.com (Selena Simonetti) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 08:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] OT: My Father In Hospital Message-ID: <809059.2502.qm@web63304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Please pray for my father. He had to be admitted today for a mild heart attack and?we are told he's going to be all right, but we are still worried?as?I'm sure you can understand. Please?send positive thoughts?his way and thank you! ?******* Selena Simonetti selenacanada at yahoo.com Please visit my Zazzle Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/crazy_rat_lady* (For the Canadian site, please click on the Canadian flag icon at the bottom of the site page.) From warmbreath at comcast.net Sun Oct 18 06:23:39 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:23:39 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH] Dillon's Declining...Help! References: <20091017150011.KBF3A.363940.root@cdptpa-web11-z02> Message-ID: <58FC5BE640154DD58D11A6E56B6E56E2@SNADY> I think your piggy has some serious teeth issues that have not been resolved and he is in pain to the extent that he doesn't want to eat or the teeth may be so bad that he cant eat, either way he is suffering and your vet has offered him baby aspirin, The pain med of choice for a piggy is Metacam, (meloxicam) not aspirin, aspirin is too hard on the stomach. He should try Metacam immed. If that doesn't work it means he cant eat and you need a rodent tooth specialist to save his life. I say this from his history, she didn't have enough experience to do his teeth without anesthetizing him, and the fact of the aspirin, plus his reaction and inability or unwillingness to eat. it is also possible to give him a couple doses of opoids to make sure its not pain stopping him but make sure its not one with Tylenol in it, just straight opoid, opiate Alternatively it is always possible that teeth become overgrown when the piggy doesn't get enough fiber like hay and pellets to chew on, this can be because he eats too much fresh food or because SOME OTHER illness has made him ill enough that he eats much less. A good vet and the pain medicine test can sort this out. If you could tell us your city and state, perhaps someone could refer you to a really good vet, exotics vet, rodentologist or University school of Veterinary Medicine. Please note www.guinealynx.info has a list of proven vets as does www.rabbit.org also note most states have their own chapters of the House Rabbit Society so you can Google for instance, "Maryland House Rabbit Society" For one or a combination of these reasons your piggies is very sick and starving, please call in the heavy guns quickly, but immediately get a prescription of Metacam. If he starts to eat while under Metacam then its a pain issue and is useful to your new vet, if he still cant eat or wont it means something mechanical is wrong and he cant eat, that is an important point. Do not have this vet work on his teeth again, he needs someone more experienced I must tell you I am just a lay person with no formal training other than RN training way back when but I didn't complete or practice, I am just a piggy mom having had many piggies over the years and the blessing of a really great exotics vet. Best regards Sandy and Shipwreck Sam From wrraffles at aol.com Sun Oct 18 05:25:19 2009 From: wrraffles at aol.com (wrraffles at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:25:19 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH] Worming Protocol, Ann Evans Message-ID: <8CC1DEC0B35AA0B-5D08-13D7C@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com> In GPDD Volume 8, Issue 326 Message 2, Ann Evans has written a most excellent article on guinea pig parasites and given detailed worming information. I note that on the Digest home page under the topic Member Resources, that a new topic is being developed, Information Resources. I suggest that this article be included on the Digest Web Pages as a permanent reference. Thank you Ann for taking the time to write up the concise and informative information. Betsy Calliope and Honey guinea pigs From mfug at live.co.uk Sun Oct 18 12:32:14 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:32:14 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] Announcement; Luke Message-ID: A very happy 2nd birthday Luke, heres to many more M, Fugly + Spooky From mfug at live.co.uk Sun Oct 18 12:33:24 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:33:24 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] Health; Get Well Message-ID: We have no advise at the moment but we want Dillon and Sparkles to know we are sending them both healing wishes. M, Fugly + Spooky From mfug at live.co.uk Sun Oct 18 12:34:29 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:34:29 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] announcement; Welcome Message-ID: Welcome to Dillon, Donovan, Puffy and Cocoa we look forward to hearing more about you all. M, Fugly + Spooky From ann.evans at hintlink.com Sun Oct 18 13:49:54 2009 From: ann.evans at hintlink.com (Ann Evans) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:49:54 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH] Dillon's Declining...Help! Message-ID: <4ADB5542.1030703@hintlink.com> Sounds like Dillon has pain and a yeast infection from the teeth surgery. For pain please ask your vet to prescribe Rimadyl 10 mg orally twice a day for 3 days then 5 mg Rimadyl orally twice a day until the mouth infection clears up. Even though the teeth do not have nerves when they were overgrown they could have injured the gums and other mouth tissues. The "chicken pox" sound like a yeast infection. Because his mouth and throat is sore he does not want to eat. Daktarin oral gel is an over the counter medication, though the UK pharmacists usually keep it behind the counter, which contains miconazole 200mg per 1 gram of gel. This product is not available in the USA but your vet can have it compounded. It is used to treat oral thrush in babies. The dose is 0.5 ml 2-3 times a day for a week then reduce to 0.3 ml twice a day for a week. Your vet can also give you a prescription for Nystatin 10,000 USP units. The dose is 0.2 ml twice a day for 2 weeks. Dillon needs both the pain and the antifungal medication ASAP. You must syringe feed him Oxbow Critical Care or his own food pellets made into a mash with water and baby food and a minimum of 40 ml of water until he is eating on his own. If you do not keep food moving through his gut his gut wall will collapse. Luckily he is 3 pounds so he can afford to loose a little weight but you must keep on syringe feeding him. You can buy Daktarin Oral Gel from from PCP Direct in the UK. http://www.pcpdirect.co.uk/Search.asp But you do not have the time to wait. This is an emergency. Hopefully your vet used isoflurane when he did the surgeries because injectable anesthetics can cause gut stasis. You said your vet gave Dillon "Metoclopramide syrup to stimulate his appetite and digestion." Metoclopramide is also used to stimulate gut motility. You should also check his penis to see if he has a yeast infection. His penis will have a white cheesy smelling growth on it and will usually be red under the white growth. You will need to wash it with warm soap and water and put miconazole nitrate 2% vaginal cream on his penis and inside his anal pouch twice a day for 2 weeks to clear up the infection. Best of health. Cheers, Ann and the Rescued Piggys of Piggyville, Tampa Florida USA. From ann.evans at hintlink.com Sun Oct 18 13:56:00 2009 From: ann.evans at hintlink.com (Ann Evans) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:56:00 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH] Does anyone know any vets that worm cavies??? Message-ID: <4ADB56B0.3090703@hintlink.com> Dear Sandy, Thank you for your kind comments about my post of the GPDD. I am not very good at expressing myself and writing is very difficult for me. As you know my cavies are all rescues. They are allowed to free range everyday in a covered corral in my garden. I live in Florida where the temperature can get to 90 degrees with 98% humidity of course it is never that warm when they are out grazing. I never have any problems with bloat or diarrhea or parasites with my piggys. I don't think that most people realize that parasites have a very complex life cycle. They do not all end up in the gut. They may spend part of their life cycle in the lungs, liver, pancreas or kidneys just to name a few places that they burrow into and cause damage. They also produce toxins that kill tissues and the good gut bacteria. So that respiratory infection a piggy may get or a kidney stone may have started because just one parasite did damage to that organ. You do not have to have a huge infestation to have damage occur. Granted when a cavy becomes stressed that is when parasites begin to multiply. I volunteer at a vet's office as a cavy health advisor. We always tell clients how important it is to have their cavies wormed. So far all of our cavy clients have opted for worming and come back every 3 months. The Doc and I are going to write a scientific paper on the importance of worming and try to get it published in as many veterinary magazines and even newspapers as we can. To me worming is as important as making sure your cavy gets the right food, love and exercise. There are over 15 different medications listed in the veterinary formulary for the treatment of parasites in guinea pigs. But how many vets prophylactically treat cavies for parasites? If anyone knows of a vet that is routinely worming cavies in the USA or anywhere in the world other than the UK, I would like to know their name. Cheers, Ann and the Rescued Piggys of Piggyville, Tampa Florida USA. From calliope at geeksnet.com Sun Oct 18 14:04:44 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:04:44 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: condolences, Brenie Message-ID: <4ADB58BC.6080905@geeksnet.com> Allison, we are so very sorry to hear that you came home one day and discovered that Brenie had passed away. We gather between the lines that Bean was not getting along with him, and we can imagine that the sight you saw was very difficult to see. When we got our piggie Friday, we came home one day and saw that he had apparently attacked our Sunshine in some way, because Sunshine had a small spot of blood on his nose. We were quite taken aback and separated them. It can be hard to predict which boars will get along and which won't. We've been lucky with all of our boars, except with Friday not liking Sunshine (who was a great guy), so perhaps it might work out that Chino and Bean will get along. Please do keep us posted, and please accept our condolences on Brenie's passing. We know that he knew how much you loved him. Our thoughts and prayers are with all sick piggies and their families. Sadly, Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From piggyfriends at tesco.net Sun Oct 18 17:57:01 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:57:01 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Selena's Father Message-ID: <42DD44571D114B70A20FD9896B735FCD@inspiron1150> Selena, I would like to send my very best wishes to your father for a speedy recovery. I know how worried you must be despite the assurance that he will be OK. All paws crossed. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From jocelynm at umich.edu Sun Oct 18 18:35:59 2009 From: jocelynm at umich.edu (Anderson, Jocelyn M) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:35:59 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [SILLY] Halloween Photo Shoot Message-ID: <3AF9B038A6B07641B36C799ED4EBB0D704CD559CEF@ITCS-ECLS-1-VS3.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu> Hello people and piggies, This weekend was a Halloween photo shoot for Edgeworth, Flashbang Fatbottom, and Benito! This year they were piggy pirates. I made the hats out of water bottle caps, black felt, pirate stickers, and put it all together with a glue gun. Edgeworth: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jocelynanderson/4023201033/ Flashbang Fatbottom: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jocelynanderson/4023201379/ Flashbang and Benito: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jocelynanderson/4023959048/ Flashbang looking surprised at his hat falling off: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jocelynanderson/4023959112/in/photostream/ Edgeworth and Flashbang were munching away at their parsley during the photo shoot. Benito really is a little pirate and decided he was going to run around with his squeaker going off! He's a little handful that one. Jocelyn, Edgeworth, Flashbang Fatbottom, and Benito From matilda at ptsi.net Sun Oct 18 20:45:23 2009 From: matilda at ptsi.net (Marsha Neely) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:45:23 -0500 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH - Neutered pig References: Message-ID: <56EF28B44A5B42BB808AF27A93D0C77A@yourat5qgaac3z> Sandi, Neutering a guinea pig does not do anything to their libido. He will not be able to get the females pregnant, but he will still try. I did quite a bit of reading before I had my Ozzy neutered, and I can tell you from experience, they still love the ladies. Marsha & Bart, the big dog KissaBella, GracieBallet, and BonnieCresta In memory of Bubba, Tigger, and the BeJabbers Five: Muttley, Ozzy, Elvis, StinkerBelle, and Trixie From selenacanada at yahoo.com Sun Oct 18 21:03:14 2009 From: selenacanada at yahoo.com (Selena Simonetti) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] (OT) Dad In Hospital Update Message-ID: <387729.28486.qm@web63301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> So far, he looks all right and says he feels fine, but they are keeping him in the hospital for 5 days while they do the whole battery of tests, etc. We are all a bundle of raw nerves right now, but thanks so much for the kind words. I'll post another update when I have more info.:) ?******* Selena Simonetti selenacanada at yahoo.com Please visit my Zazzle Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/crazy_rat_lady* (For the Canadian site, please click on the Canadian flag icon at the bottom of the site page.) From ebak at ca.inter.net Sun Oct 18 23:46:41 2009 From: ebak at ca.inter.net (Evelyn Baker) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:46:41 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [Health] Dillon Message-ID: I'm so sorry to read about Dillon. Keep trying to get food into him. If he doesn't like baby food carrots try some other flavour he might like. At this point you might want some fruit or something on the sweet side to stimulate his appetite. Amy, a pig of mine, liked baby food peas. I would also water down apple juice to stimulate his appetite and hydrate him. (I'd water it down half and half and give a few syringfuls.) The small poos are probably because he isn't eating enough. My vet would give one of my piggies a shot of vitamin C and B to stimilutle her appetite. It often worked. Also try some lawn. Piggies love grass. His mouth probably hurts. Something soothing might help. Peter Guerney suggested barley water and barley for guinea pigs with UTIs. I found guinea pigs love it. "Home made barley water is made by cooking pearl barley at the ratio of ten parts of water to one part of pearl barley. Barley varies, some makes soaking up the water more than others so it can be up to fifteen to so monitor while cooking and add a little extra water if necessary. Make small amounts for it will not keep for more than twenty four hours. The resulting water is is one of the best demulcents there is, being very viscous. Leave until cold and the syringe little and often to the patient. Liquidize the cooked barley with cucumber or the animal's favourite vegetable and syringe this in too. This is usually more acceptable than the water and as this too is very viscous it will have the same effect of soothing the inflamed tissue. Though you are doing nothing more that treating the symptom this can have the still be very effective. By soothing the tissues the body's immune system can have a better chance of knocking out the bacteria especially if you back this up with several other therapies." http://www.oginet.com/pgurney/cystitis.htm Evelyn From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 19 12:40:55 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: Dillon Message-ID: <34284.95627.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We are sending healing wishes for you little Dillon. Sure hope your feeling better fast soon! Misfits From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 19 12:42:17 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: Happy Bday to Luke Message-ID: <141298.98704.qm@web80202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We are wishing you a very happy 2nd birthday Luke. Hope you had a very fun cuddlefilled day:) Misfits From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 19 12:45:15 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: Selena's father Message-ID: <396696.65914.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Selena, We here at misfitville are praying and sending good healing vibes for your father. It is very scary to have a family member sick. Get your rest when you can, dont want you to get warn out, as its easy to do when your running back and forth from the hospital. Thinking of you, Jean (misfits) From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 19 12:47:40 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] silly: Pirate pictures of Jocelyn piggies Message-ID: <567262.62643.qm@web80207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jocelyn, Your pirate piggie pictures are so darn toot- in cute!! We really enjoyed seeing them:) Thank you for sharing:) Made us smile a big smile here at misfitville:) Jean (misfits) ? From calliope at geeksnet.com Mon Oct 19 14:58:57 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:58:57 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] ANNOUNCEMENT: birthday wishes, Luke Message-ID: <4ADCB6F1.2020801@geeksnet.com> We would like to wish Luke a very Happy 2nd Birthday! Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From calliope at geeksnet.com Mon Oct 19 15:00:49 2009 From: calliope at geeksnet.com (Cindy) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:00:49 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] OT: My Father In Hospital Message-ID: <4ADCB761.3070802@geeksnet.com> Selena, we are sending best wishes and healing wheeks to your father for a speedy recovery. Please keep us posted as you have time. All of you are in our prayers. Cindy, Tumbleweed, and Friday From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 19 14:41:09 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] MISC.: Halloween photo shoot Message-ID: <615311.74928.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Those photos really belong on a calendar. Very inspirational. I can almost feel the sea breeze in my hair! What handsome lads. Joanie From rzm.2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 19 17:15:41 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:15:41 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH- Dillon Message-ID: Hi! As far as the vet goes, is she a trained exotics vet? She should give him a painkiller meant for piggies, not watered down aspirin or tylenol. The chicken pox looking things in his mouth could be sores that his overgrown molars caused. Are they whiteish? I think guinea pigs can get thrush. Someone elses piggie on here had thrush, maybe she can help more on what to look for on that issue. Try to feed him some canned pumpkin. The plain kind not the kind with spices. This has fiber & try to keep syringing him water & Critical care. I'm really not sure what else to say to help. I hope he gets better. ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From rzm.2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 19 17:20:32 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:20:32 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] OFF TOPIC- Selena father Message-ID: <8FAFBDEF488C44108B8790911702A714@chirpyPC> Selena- I'm sorry about your father. You will both be in our prayers. Take care of yourself. ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From rzm.2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 19 17:23:33 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:23:33 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH- worming Message-ID: <8620763B4B1642829ED842716F0A5AA2@chirpyPC> I totally agree about Ann's worming article. I have saved it into my files & printed it out to study. Great job Ann! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From rzm.2 at verizon.net Mon Oct 19 17:30:49 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:30:49 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] SILLY- piggie photos Message-ID: Jocelyn- I love it! They made my day!! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From piggyfriends at tesco.net Mon Oct 19 18:05:14 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:05:14 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] SILLY Halloween Photo Shoot Message-ID: <83F7B8637BB64CC397ECAF576AB984C3@inspiron1150> Your Halloween pigtures are wonderful, Jocelyn. Such handsome little pirates. I wonder how one gets to have a piggy featured in the GuineaLynx calendar. They deserve a wider audience. Thank you for sharing them with us all. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From Glynis at garnay.com.au Mon Oct 19 21:03:38 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:03:38 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Happy Birthday Luke Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221132@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUU HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUUUUU HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR LUKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Whee hope you had a wonderful 2nd birthday, spoilt with loads of treats and cuddles ! Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Mon Oct 19 21:05:08 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:05:08 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Selena's Father Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221133@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Selena whee will all be thinking of you, your father and the rest of the family. I know just what you're going thru as my father has had a number of heart attacks and also by pass surgery. The hospitals are wonderful these days, i'm hoping that he'll be up again really soon. HUGS and loves from us all Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Mon Oct 19 21:05:59 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:05:59 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH] Dillon and Sparkles Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221134@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> GET WELL wishes from us all........ Lots of wheeeeeeeks from the girls to help you feel better too xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Mon Oct 19 21:08:16 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:08:16 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Halloween Pics Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221135@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Jocelyn i've had the BIGGEST smile on my face this morning, i opened up your pigtures and was just amazed at your ingenuity and how well the boys posed for you! I love the background too................me thinks it maybe the infamous ship our little ones have been travelling on all these months? I'm sure Alge will love these pics too, it will brighten her day. Please tell Edgeworth, Flashbang Fatbottom and Benito they're very photogenic and the girls think they're rather cute! Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From DaPiggyPirates at aol.com Mon Oct 19 23:34:24 2009 From: DaPiggyPirates at aol.com (DaPiggyPirates at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:34:24 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] Misc: Piggy Hugs Message-ID: Hi All, Very very brief -- I am incredibly weak but want to thank you all for the mail, the gifties and all. You have no idea idea how much I appreciate each and everyone one of you. I have been released from the hospital but have to go back daily for radiation treatments and will be admitted once to twice more yet again. Wish there were a local hospital where they could be done but at least I don't have to go all the way to Columbus for these -- maybe about 40 miles?? Not so bad. I wish I could communicate how really much your cards, thoughts, etc. have meant. They truly DO make a real difference. I am able to step back from the misery (a little melodrama there) and think about the good and healthy vibes being sent to me. These are real things! I'll write more when able, am not yet but want you to know how swell you all are and how deeply your friendship flows. Luv, Alge and Da Piggy Pirates <----wheeze been taking good care of our Mumzi! From oreochockc at yahoo.com Tue Oct 20 03:27:53 2009 From: oreochockc at yahoo.com (corrine sakumoto) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Sparkles update Message-ID: <406529.82605.qm@web112616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello everyone and everypig! Just wanted to let you know, that today, Monday, Sparkles had 'cow pies' in the morning. It was slightly smelly. However, after cleaning her pen and periodically checking on her, during the whole afternoon, she made only pellets! We had a call in to the vet, who later asked us to not give her the antibiotic for 24 hours (she's on sulfatrim with BeneBac given two hours afterwards, twice a day) to see if the antibiotic is the cause of her soft poos. So we'll see how tonight and tomorrow goes. Then, if her poos are soft, the vet said that he'll treat her for 'worms.' He did look under the microscope and did the 'fecal floater' testing already, and didn't find any parasites. However, as many of you probably know, we don't have any 'really good' vets here. The vet we currently have now has repeatedly said that he doesn't know that much about guinea pigs, and when we asked him, did say to us that currently, we are his only guinea pig patients. Sorry to repeat, but could we again ask, what medicines and dosages we should suggest to the vet? We're sure he has his resources, but perhaps he would find it helpful if we could also provide him with additional information. Many, many thanks!!!! Corrine and Michael From ann.evans at hintlink.com Tue Oct 20 13:32:43 2009 From: ann.evans at hintlink.com (Ann Evans) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:32:43 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH]Sparkles and worming Message-ID: <4ADDF43B.3060105@hintlink.com> Dear Corrine, I am sending you a personal email with the worming protocol attached. The Valbazen is an over the counter sheep wormer. Ivermectin is and over the counter cattle wormer. It does not matter if your vet uses regular or the super ivermectin. Both of these products can be bought at a feed supply store. The important thing is that your vet gives the ivermectin to your cavy on day 1 and day 7.Ivermectin is a very potent wormer and should be given by a vet. Also the first time you worm your cavy she will get 5 doses of Valbazen, Panacur is not available in the USA as far as I know. It is very important that your vet give 10mg of the Valbazen. Valbazen = Albendazole usually comes at a concentration of 11.36% = 113.6 mg/ml. So your vet is either going to have to dilute the Valbazen to 2.5% or adjust the amount you give so that the dose is 10 mg. Remember the dose is based on metabolic rate not body weight of the cavy. Cheers, Ann and the Rescued Piggys of Piggyville, Tampa Florida USA. From bunzella at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 20 15:41:42 2009 From: bunzella at yahoo.ca (pat schuett) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] Misc: Piggy Hugs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <85774.26128.qm@web113202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Alge, how wonderful and reassuring to hear from you "in person"!!! I have had a few health challenges of my own and know how it sometimes seems as if you will never make it back to any sort of "normal" life, also how uplifting it is to know that you are continuing in the thoughts and prayers of friends from that "normal" life. I don't think that there is a day that goes by on GPDD when someone does not mention your name and our concerns about how things are going with you. It's good to hear that things are moving a little faster now and you are able to get on with the treatments, and it must be so good to be at home where your piggies can give you some of that "piggie TLC" which can work wonders at the worst of times. Please check in with us when you have the energy, but know we are all beaming positive thoughts and healing vibrations at you non-stop regardless! Pat S. (With Doris, Audrey and Olivia's best wishes, too!!!!) --- On Mon, 10/19/09, DaPiggyPirates at aol.com wrote: > From: DaPiggyPirates at aol.com > Subject: [Gpdd] Misc: Piggy Hugs > To: gpdd at gpdd.org > Received: Monday, October 19, 2009, 10:34 PM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > The GPDD moderators frequently reject messages that do not > follow > these guidelines: > A lack of a Topic label is the most common reason for > message rejection. Please use a Topic Label (HEALTH, CARE, > ANNOUNCEMENT, BEHAVIOR, RESCUE, BREEDING, SILLY, PIGLETS, > MISC.? or VIRTUAL) and descriptive subject. More > information on Topic use, post restrictions and permissions > can be found at http://www.gpdd.org/topics.html > > Postings to the digest must conform to the rules stated at > http://www.gpdd.org/guidelines.html > > Please consult the GPDD FAQ at http://www.gpdd.org/faq.html for > a list of commonly asked questions. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Other GPDD-affiliated sites: > > The Guinea Pigs' Rainbow Bridge, dedicated to the memories > of piggies past http://www.guineapigsrainbow.org > --------------------------------------- > Piggie bladderstone informational resources and mailing > list: > http://www.gpigs-database.org > --------------------------------------- > All material posted is copyright The Guinea Pigs' Daily > Digest, and may not be reproduced in whole or in part in any > media - printed or electronic - without written permission > of the administrators.Hi All, > ? ? ? ? ? > Very very brief -- I am incredibly weak but want to thank > you all for the > mail, the gifties and all. You have no idea idea how much I > appreciate each > and everyone one of you. > > I have been released from the hospital but have to go back > daily for > radiation treatments and will be admitted once to twice > more yet again. Wish there > were a local hospital where they could be done but at least > I don't have to > go all the way to Columbus for these -- maybe about 40 > miles?? Not so bad. > > I wish I could communicate how really much your cards, > thoughts, etc. have > meant. They truly DO make a real difference. I am able to > step back from the > misery (a little melodrama there) and think about the good > and healthy > vibes being sent to???me. These are real > things! > > I'll write more when able, am not yet but want you to know > how swell you > all are and how deeply your friendship flows. > > Luv, > Alge and Da Piggy Pirates? ? <----wheeze been > taking good care of our > Mumzi! > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Gpdd mailing list > Gpdd at gpdd.org > http://gpdd.org/mailman/listinfo/gpdd_gpdd.org > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 20 17:55:02 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: Alge Message-ID: <122719.36161.qm@web80205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keep up the good work of getting better Alge! We are all praying hard for you! Rest when your able. Sorry there isnt a closer hospital for you. That is a bummer. We are sending healing good vibes to you from all of us here at misfitville.? Sending a big hug! Jean & Andy and the many misfits ? From Glynis at garnay.com.au Tue Oct 20 19:40:31 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:40:31 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [HEALTH] Sparkles Update Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221146@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Dear Corrine and Michael, Whee are very happy to hear that little Sparkles is at least now pooping!! I'm sorry we're unable to help you with the drugs side of all this, but we're hoping that one of our lovely members will be able to advise you the US drugs available. Gentle loves and kisses and hugs from us all to you both and Sparkles xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From elmga at hotmail.com Wed Oct 21 08:09:28 2009 From: elmga at hotmail.com (ellen garrison) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 02:09:28 -1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd: [Rainbow Bridge] (Donald, Julie's gp) Message-ID: Dearest Julie and all, I have just read the post from you of Oct. 5 regarding little Donald. I am truly sorry for your loss. I am sure that Donald knew/knows you loved/love him. I am sure he appreciated your care and companionship. I truly believe our animals (and often, some people) are still with us in spirit even after they pass from the physical, and that he is still with you in a spiritual way, Julie. It is not my intention to impose my beliefs on anyone, just that I have witnessed many times, the abundance our universe has to offer, and that worlds do connect with each other and it is not a frightening thing, but a beautiful thing. Also, thank you for your kind email to me about little Mercy who I only had for about 45 hours. I now do recall reading your posts and my heart goes out to you as well. I do not mean to be rude for not answering in any way to anyone on Gpdd, just that I haven't been able to read everything. Also, please accept my apologies for not being up to date on our wonderful GPdd. I seem to be extremely busy these days. I have been having to catch up on rest and everything else. I am trying to be diligent at keeping up with rest and Gpdd. Take good care, all, and know that you are loved! Lots of love and ((((Hugs)))) to Julie... -Ellen and 10 guineas, in mem of Li'l Guy and Gin Gin ******************************************************************** "Do not be dismayed at goodbyes. A farewell is necessary before you can meet again. And meeting again, after moments or a lifetime, is certain for those who are friends." -Richard Bach, American writer _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 21 10:06:51 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc: pumpkin? Message-ID: <854839.59395.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello fellow guinea pig lovers, So now that the fall season is here, just wondering if any of you give your guineas fresh pumpkin? Just wanted to make sure its a ok fresh food to give them. I have read on here ?that pumpkin in the can is good for them when they are sick. Just wanted to make sure as a treat it?is ok too:) I know not to give them the seeds of the pumpkin as seeds can get stuck, and we dont want that to happen! Jean(misfits) ? From warmbreath at comcast.net Wed Oct 21 12:17:50 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:17:50 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] misc: pumpkin? References: <854839.59395.qm@web80208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's a very high starch sugar thing, not a regular piggy food of which there are so many I wouldn't be able to squeeze in another. I would stick to greens and vit C foods Sandy From zarafa101 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 21 12:48:45 2009 From: zarafa101 at yahoo.com (Stephanie Labbate) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 09:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCEMENT] ME and the New Smyrna Beach piggies Message-ID: <495258.87603.qm@web62508.mail.re1.yahoo.com> It was nice to learn about the?4 New Smyrna Beach piggies -- our?Friends in?Florida.? Nice to have you on the GPDD!! Hope Dillon?will feel better soon! Stephanie Mocha, Lily, and Felix (The 3 Little Pigs) from NJ, USA From warmbreath at comcast.net Wed Oct 21 15:24:28 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:24:28 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd {Health) Mites ivermectin References: Message-ID: The pyrethrums are not the best for mites, and yes, there are several types, If not ivermectin, then ask your vet for Revolution, nothing else, esp not Frontline, could kill g.p.'s, but Ivermectin is so standard for piggy mites that I am aghast that your vet wont use it. Take a print out from guinealynx or critter corral If they still refuse I will tell you how to give it another way, but the preferred way is by vet, and that your vet wont do it blows me away completely. Have the specialist give it then, and consider going to the specialist for everything. Your piggy needs a vet that knows piggies Sandy From elmga at hotmail.com Thu Oct 22 11:34:43 2009 From: elmga at hotmail.com (ellen garrison) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:34:43 -1000 Subject: [Gpdd] FW: Gpdd: [Health] (Mercy) In-Reply-To: <5C194564F4714AEAA72E8AD72F28ED9B@DelBoy> References: Message-ID: From: elmga at hotmail.com To: cazza177 at ntlworld.com; gpdd at gpdd.org Subject: RE: [Gpdd] HEALTH [I am confused!] Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:22:43 -1000 hi Carol, I appreciate your care and concern, and you know by now that Mercy went to the bridge...and it was hard for us but I could not let him suffer, he was not eating anything, and the two times he drank from the sipper tube on his own, it was hardly anything that he swallowed, because most of the water went down his chin...I don't understand how this can happen, and I did read your post about your piggie, (was his name BG, I am so sorry for your loss.) Anyway I feel for you about the way you had not been able to spend time with him; i understand that completely. But, I am sure he loved you regardless. Why do these things happen to these sweet little creatures? I mean, they are pets. It is interesting that Vedra said the teeth-thing is usually secondary. The vet we go to is not one who will file the teeth unless the pig is anesthetized however, they are very good in the work they do. Of course, since I live in Hawaii, the specialist (she does care for all the bunnies from the rabbit sanctuary too on this island) is just one of two and I do not know of another small animal specialist. I become confused with all the input on Gpdd, when there are issues about vets. I just do not know what to think about it all anymore. the other thing about Mercy, was I noticed right away that he had labored breathing, and i did consult the vet via phone and she suggested that i take him back to the shelter and ask them to humanely euthanize him, when i mentioned the labored breathing ---which is a sign of pneumonia--to the vet, she said that was probably what he had, and I am sure he was just not cared for and so he got pneumonia. I know only too well about pneumonia since my Gin Gin had it. Mercy had most likely gotten too cold at night, at the shelter ---God knows how long he was there--at night the temperature drops, and he was outside. Horrendous. I did write a letter to the newspaper about that regarding the humane society, but not to accuse anyone because what if they are doing the best they can? please, I need to look at it as they are doing the best that they can, and give them the benefit of the doubt, so to speak, and hopefully, the same goes with vets. I am taking two piggies ( a baby boar, Cocoa, and my oldest 'piggette', Cheyenie, to the vet tomorrow so i will ask questions about ivermectin, anesthesia, etc. teeth etc. at least the vet has the state-of-the-art hormonal treatment for cavies for ovarian cysts. I am just confused about teeth as secondary issues, urine tests, tooth filing under anesthesia...but it is probably because right now i have stuff to do and by later on, i will clear my head enough to really think about it. "the woods are lovely, dark and deep, but I have promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep...." In love and light, Ellen _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 From selenacanada at yahoo.com Thu Oct 22 13:06:21 2009 From: selenacanada at yahoo.com (Selena Simonetti) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] OT: Dad Heart Surgery Update Message-ID: <963079.53978.qm@web63303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Dad had surgery at 10am today. Looks like the stent is in and went off without a hitch (yay!). Dad said he wasn't nervous, but was full of crap and was, of course, nervous about it.:)? They did it almost in the same way as the angiogram with the dye. I think they are keeping him?one more day in Sudbury where the proceedure was done and he'll be home the next day. I'll let you know more when I have more info!:) ?******* Selena Simonetti selenacanada at yahoo.com Please visit my Zazzle Shop: http://www.zazzle.com/crazy_rat_lady* (For the Canadian site, please click on the Canadian flag icon at the bottom of the site page.) From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 22 21:41:29 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Puff's being picky Message-ID: <844434.84152.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> She turns her nose up at alfalfa hay. I get the feeling it's too coarse for her by the ginger way she handles it. She loves timothy hay and likes to play with wisps of orchard grass. She loves her alfalfa-based Oxbow pellets, thank goodness. Now she's all about romaine lettuce, turning her cute little nose up at my other offerings--parsely (two kinds), cilantro, and chard she accepts occasionally while looking offended. Now, mind you, these used to be good enough! And she will eat bits of baby carrot, red lettuce,?and yellow squash. Why this sudden change? She's happy and very active, gaining weight,?and eats quite a bit, so I'm not really worried, just curious. Joanie From aliciavanmaanen at hotmail.com Thu Oct 22 23:01:47 2009 From: aliciavanmaanen at hotmail.com (Alicia VanMaanen) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:01:47 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] ANNOUNCEMENT: SECRET SANTA GIFT AND CARD EXCHANGE 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Everyone, I know we are almost out of October already but I wanted to let everyone know that it's not too later to to participate in our annual digest holiday gift exchange for Christmas. I would be more than happy to once again work on this as I love too do that part in it. For those of you that are new to the digest let me explain what this is a little bit. IF YOU WISH TO PARTICIPATE PLEASE EMAIL MY NO LATER THAN NOVEMBER 20 FOR GIFT EXCHANGE, SO THAT I CAN MATCH YOU UP WITH SOMEONE BEFORE THANKSGIVING AND WILL HAVE TIME TO GET YOUR GIFTS MAILED OUT. I WILL ACCEPT ALL FOR CARD EXCHANGE UNTIL DECEMBER 1ST AND THAN SEND EVERYONE AN EMAIL IN THAT CATEGORY WITH YOUR MATCH. Every year we offer a holiday gift or card exchange with other members of the digest. You can choose to participate in either or both aspects of the exchange. In both you would be given the name of another guinea pig(s) if you wish to do all your piggies together and a slave. If you are participating in the gift exchange you would than get some type of gift for the slave's pig(s) that you were assigned and mail it to them for a christmas gift. YOu are also welcome to include soemthing special in their for the slvae. As for the price of the gift that is up to you as to how much you can honestly afford to spend on a gift. I've had various gifts over the years from handmade gifts/treats for me and my piggies to store bought treats. But the minimum is usualy about $10 from what most people spend on a total gift I'd guess. THis is a fun event and everyone loves to participate adn get gifts in the mail and than post on the digest a thank you afterwards so that everyone knows you received your gift. So if you are interested please feel free to email me at guineapiglover2009 at hotmail.com Please include the following information in your email: Slave NameSlave Mailing AddressSlave EmailPig(s) participating and if more than one piggie are they participating as a group or an individualAny other important information I you might want another slave to be aware of about you or your pig(s) Thanks everyone and look forward to hearing from everyone! Many Wheeks,Alicia slave to Dodger & Beau _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 From elmga at hotmail.com Fri Oct 23 01:15:18 2009 From: elmga at hotmail.com (ellen garrison) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:15:18 -1000 Subject: [Gpdd] GPDD: Health (Mites) Message-ID: Hi all, First, I thank all of you for all the positive and sincere concern, love and care for each others pigs and slaves. Especially to dear Sandy, I do really appreciate it, even though I am a bit grouchy from lack of sleep. We took a ride today to the exotics specialist on the island, their office is about 40 miles away so it takes a good hour; I took Cocoa (5 mos. old -one of two cutie-pie boars from Sammie's litter of 4 healthy babies) because he had URI, and I took my dear Cheyenie, a sweet little sow who is only about 1 and a half years, but has huge ovarian cysts. She is my only real short haired, and now she has lost much of it from the cysts. So the three of us went up to Kula where the vet is and just got back, and the entire trip took 4 hours. Geez. Anyway I had questions and in explaining my utter confusion I guess I made sense, because I clarified my plea for help with the mites, and outright asked Felea (yes that is her name) the vet tech, if they give Ivermectin or Revolution to gps. from their office; she said they give Revolution, so---I am so excited to have Revolution for all 11 of my mammals, including bunny Darla, I am so tired and mad with some situations in my life (insurance companies lead the list-go figure) that all of that other stuff just does not matter anymore- because I am just so pleased to finally get my hands on Revolution to treat the furry ones, which I will do tonight after I eat something. It seems I hang out with them more than some people and they are so patient---we humans can really learnn from animals, they are the best teachers in patience and all other instinctual virtues, etc. Also, I asked the vet about giving Kaloey that other antibiotic for gps that is a long word that starts with 'C' and ends with 'L'---you savy slaves know what I'm talking about--she said let him finish the doxycycline first and if that is not helping his eyes , then they will call the pharmacy to make some up. But she also said maybe it is viral. I don't know, I will look on the web page for piggie eyes that you advised Sandy, a big MAHALO (thank you), really. I am so grateful to this email group. I was telling the vet and vet tech about the Gpdd, and they did not really seem engaged in what i was trying to say, although I did tell her that lotsa people on here have been having gps as pets for a long time, and know a lot of stuff and retained a lot of stuff and are so very helpful. My input is not as much, I have thus far had 14 guinea pigs, one of which I fostered...so it always helps clarify everything for those who are confused (such as myself.) Ellen and the 10 guineas _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen2:102009 From agbmcmd at yahoo.com Fri Oct 23 17:41:23 2009 From: agbmcmd at yahoo.com (Audrey Binder) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: Chelito Message-ID: <617901.21807.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It is with sadness to report that my friend Ricki had to help her beloved little guinea pig Chelito to the Rainbow Bridge? Chelito was about 4 years old and had many health problems, some of which were teeth-related.? She took Chelito to 3 vets, including one who was an exotics vet and has seen GPs from?other Digest slaves.? He saw Chelito many times.? Ricki lovingly syringed medications, food and water to Chelito several times a day, until he was just too sick to swallow anymore.? He had an unusual eye problem that may or may not have been related, and he had a lot of teeth problems.? Chelito could not have had a more loving and devoted slave, and Ricki?and her husband Bill are?heart-broken.? I went to see them the other day with my piggie Gordon, who was Chelito's friend. ? We are very sad and I know that Ricki will appreciate any words of comfort that you may have. ? Sadly,? Audrey and her GP, Gordon (Remembering Reese and Chelito) From elmga at hotmail.com Sat Oct 24 07:28:37 2009 From: elmga at hotmail.com (ellen garrison) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 01:28:37 -1000 Subject: [Gpdd] Gpdd: [Announcement] Happy Belated B-day, Princess Snowflake and Bertie Pig! Message-ID: Hi all, How cute. Leah, your little photobook of the piggies in celebration. Bertie resembles my Li'l Guy (a.k.a., Li'l Guy Antonio) who was the first gp I ever had. [Enjoy the loves of Rainbow Bridge, Li'l Guy...] Avery Happy (belated) Birthday to piggies Princess Snowflake and Bertie! I especially like the one of the Bertie pig sleeping with one hind foot sticking out. >From Ellen with 10 pigs: Rufie, Kaloey, Cheyenie, Angel-daddy, Sammie-mommie, and the kids: Sheila, Hina'u (hee-NAH-ooh), Cocoa-boy, Li'l Red Saphire, and Merary Ary Bandit. and one bunny _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow! http://microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default-ga.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:102009 From scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 24 11:49:58 2009 From: scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com (scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:49:58 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge: Dillon Message-ID: <20091024154958.5KENU.317042.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> It is with great sadness that I have to report the loss of our beloved Dillon. It was a valiant struggle that ended at 8:35 am Thursday morning. Up until his last day, I had hope that he would pull through. His vet even came by our house the night before to try to help him (even though it was her day off). She had planned to come by the house the next day to check on him, but it was too late. I am so grateful to all of you who posted and emailed. I don?t know how I would have gotten through all of this without your help. Thank you. Over the past year, I?ve read stories of the loss of some of your dear friends. I especially remember reading the stories of Snowy Bear and Hershey and crying while wondering how you must feel and unfortunately, now I know. Little Dillon had a massive bowel obstruction. The vet said that it was most likely a result of the anesthesia. Because he didn?t totally stop eating at any point until his last day, she didn?t realize what was going on soon enough. I think that she is almost as devastated as we are. He was her first guinea pig in her new practice, and she did her best for him. I am very grateful for all of her efforts. I?m just so devastated that a routine tooth trim lead to this. His teeth weren?t even that bad yet. If only I?d waited. If only I?d found someone who could do it without anesthesia. If only? I?m driving myself crazy with if only?s. I wish that I could turn back the clock and do things differently. I wish I could have my little Dillon back again with me. I miss him so much. He filled a hole in my heart when he came into our life, and I just don?t know if I?ll ever feel better again. I know I have to keep on going for my husband and my three little pigs who still need me to be strong. It?s just so hard, but it is a comfort to have people who understand around me. I wish I had posted sooner so you all could know what a wonderful piggie he was?how he would run to the side of the cage to greet him whenever my husband walked in the room, about the time he got stuck in a log because his little whiskers curved in and he didn?t have a mirror and no one wanted to be the one to tell him how big his little Dilly butt was?how he used to bicker with his brother Donovan, how they would wake us up each morning by banging their bowls together and how they would call us into their room at any time of day when they heard the refrigerator open or especially when they heard veggies on the cutting board. He and his brother were so much fun together. Whenever one of us was having a bad day, the other would bring us Dillon and say ?here, tell Dilly all about it,? and Dilly would sit with us and chirp while we talked with him, and somehow whatever was bugging us wouldn?t seem so bad. Now we will have to keep an eye on Donovan and see if having the other two in the room will be enough company or if we need to find him another friend, though we know that no one could replace our Dilly. When I woke up at 3 am to give Dillon his fluids on Thursday morning, I realized that his struggle was going to end that day. Every other time, he had gratefully taken the fluids, but this time, he just let them dribble out of his mouth. I sat on the sofa with him sitting on my chest, and I told him about the rainbow bridge. I told him about my husband?s father who had died two years ago and about my two cats that I?d had growing up. I told him that he needed to find them and stay with them until we could join him someday. Every other night before I put him to bed, I told him that if he saw the light, he should stay away from it. That morning, while he was sitting on my chest, I told him that if he saw the light, he should run into it. I put him back with his brother so they could have some time together, and I went to tell my husband that it was almost over. He said goodbye to our little Dilly and had to leave for work. After my husband had left for work, I was sitting with him on my lap. My mother called to check on him, and then my sister called. While I was talking to my sister, he tried to run off my lap, then he coughed, then he was gone. I hope that he went running over the bridge. His vet called and told me that they have a surge of adrenalin at the end, so he didn?t feel any pain. That comforts us. My husband came home from work, and we brought our little Dilly to be cremated. We selected a lovely little wooden box for him that will have his picture on the lid. Now our little Dillon will live forever with us in our hearts. While we miss him in our home, we take comfort in the knowledge that he?s over the rainbow bridge, munching on grass, eating tons of carrots, chirping happily knowing that someday, my husband and I, his brother, and all of his little friends here will be reunited with him. For those of you who made it to the end of this post. Thank you, I know I can ramble when I?m sad, and it means a lot to me that you were here for us. ME in New Smyrna Beach with Donovan, Puffball, and Cocoa Puff in our home, and Dillon forever in our hearts From warmbreath at comcast.net Sat Oct 24 05:03:03 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:03:03 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: Chelito References: <617901.21807.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9656E2B1E6EA41C78E6657BD0A41F329@SNADY> Dear Audrey, I assume you can pass along my sincerest condolence wishes to Ricki on the tragic passing of her beloved little Chelito. Ricki, it just plain hurts to our cores when we fight and fight an do everything we can and still our precious ones slip away. Often you get the gift of a long and happy life with your piggy, often that doesn't happen, but the quality of your life together remains no matter how long or short. It is with great reverence that I try to consol you for even a moment or more, God willing. During an illness our piggies do suffer and poor Chelito had to put up with many indignities during his long condition but he came very soon to know to his very core that you were there trying to make it better, to heal and to comfort him, and he came to rely on you for that and to love you for it. It's so sad that the deepest bonds little piggers make is when they are being cared for in illness and he loved you for your efforts, for every mouthful of forced food, for every time his little mouth was opened for a vet, he loved you. My exotics vet, who is a very special vet always seemed a bit confused when my piggies would turn tail and run off the examination table and up onto my chest until they could bury their little heads under my chin. I cant imagine why he would be surprised! I have seen this same story written so many times that I believe it, and I believe in the Rainbow Bridge so I know he is up their swapping stories about all the things you did to help him with all his new piggie friends, and between great wonder mouthfuls of fresh grasses with absolutely no pain. And she will greet you when your time comes as will all of your passed loved ones. I'm so sorry that she died especially after every thing you did that should have worked, it's just that teeth are really hard to correct no matter how skilled the vets. I honor you for loving him, for caring for him and please accept my word, on faith at least, that the stabbing pain in your heart will diminish with time, replaced by the many recurring memories of the good times and the happy moments. You gave Chelito a great chance and he knows it, and happily, you know it. That you did all that you did will comfort you, and if your memory brings back those nagging doubts that maybe you could have done something better, faster, or different and thus saved him, well, just flush those thoughts, it is not possible to have been perfect all that time. It seems everyone has a regret, but hindsight is 20-20, you did the best you could for a very long time and when the time came to help him to the Bridge you were there for him again. There is no better piggie mom, you and the many who have found themselves. Although it's not my place to say so, thank you so much for trying so hard. Sandy and Shipwreck Sam From piggyfriends at tesco.net Sat Oct 24 12:48:56 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:48:56 +0100 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Condolences for Chelito Message-ID: <2004A214CAD64F39935950727841E406@inspiron1150> Audrey and Gordon, Will you please pass on to your friend, Ricki, our most sincere condolences on the loss of her precious piggy, Chelito. We know all too well how hard it is to keep a little piggy going on syringe feeds and Chelito will have known how hard Ricki worked to make him better. We send our deepest sympathy to her and her husband and hope that, in time, the wonderful memories will outweigh the sadness of his loss. Love and hugs from Penny and the Piggyfriends in England. From scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com Sat Oct 24 12:49:59 2009 From: scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com (scalabro3 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:49:59 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge: Chelito Message-ID: <20091024164959.MU35P.317674.root@cdptpa-web25-z02> Audrey, please pass on my condolences to Ricki and her husband on the loss of their dear piggie Chelito. I?ve just lost my beloved Dillon, so I know how they feel and I hope with all my heart that they know that they did all that they could do for their Chelito and that I?m sure that he appreciated their efforts. ME in New Smyrna Beach with Donovan, Puffball, and Cocoa Puff in our home and Dillon forever in our hearts From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 24 13:31:30 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: Ricki's Chelito Message-ID: <474276.54880.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Could you please pass this message on to Ricki? ? Dear Ricki, I'm so sorry to hear about poor Chelito! I know how awful it is to work so hard to bring one of our little ones good health and then have to let them go. I've taken comfort in knowing that we did everything in our power to heal them and make their last days happy ones, and I hope you will, too, as your efforts were nothing short of heroic. Our piggies know how much we care, even now. Know that we all share in your pain and know that we're here for you should you need to express your fond remembrances as well as your grief. Sincerely, Joanie From rzm.2 at verizon.net Sat Oct 24 21:50:57 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:50:57 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- condolences Message-ID: <873F725AB1074BD69B43EDA87B5AC04C@chirpyPC> Audrey- Please give my condolences to Ricki & Bill on the passing of their beloved Chelito. My thoughts & prayers are with them during this difficult time. ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 24 22:42:50 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] misc:sympathy to Chelito's family Message-ID: <356672.4109.qm@web80206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Ricki and Bill, We want to send our deepest sympathy to you for Little Chelito. We are so sorry for your loss. Chelito was very lucky to have your love.?We all know how much our little fur babies?mean to us. They are our comfort and our family and live in our hearts forever. It hurts like crazy when they must leave for the rainbow bridge, but know that Chelito is healthy again there and able to run free with all our fur babies that have gone to the bridge and enjoy in all the food, fun and games the guineas all enjoy there. When the time is right Chelito will be there waiting for you to rejoin each other again. Know that many here on the digest feel your pain and send many many hugs to you both. Jean & Andy and the many misfits From juwles at bigpond.com Sun Oct 25 09:37:52 2009 From: juwles at bigpond.com (Julie Juwles Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:37:52 +1000 Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: Condolences: Chelito In-Reply-To: <617901.21807.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <617901.21807.qm@web34408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <32041DC3CDEE4803ABF19C896FD7AC40@JuliePC> Dear Audrey and Ricki, it is with sadness that I read of Chelito's passing. I know there will be a gaping hole in their lives, one which will be very hard to fill and will take a long time to "get over". I don't think we ever get over the loss of our beloved babies do we? We are just forced by life to get on with things. Strangely enough, it is just over 3 weeks since I helped Donald to the Bridge due to teeth problems, and he also had eye problems - a cataract in one eye and another cataract forming in the other eye. I always wondered, and will continue to wonder, whether the teeth/eye problems were related - some sort of neurological problem. I understand how distressing it would have been for Ricki to have to syringe feed her, to take her to different vets, to see her decline in health, leaving Ricki with no option but to prove her love for Chelito and help him to the Bridge. I went through the same thing with Donald, and 2 years ago it was Archie suffering the same problems. Putting Donald to sleep was one of the hardest decisions I have had to make, but I am beginning to find some peace now, knowing Donald is no longer suffering the indignity of not being able to eat his favourite foods, whilst the other piggies around him were always eating with gusto. My Donald, and little Chelito, will be together now at the Bridge with so many dear little masters before them. I am sure we will all be together again one day Audrey/Ricki - all we masters and slaves - and we'll have just a good time getting to know each other and talk and talk and talk about our babies and the love we all shared with them. Please pass on my sincerest condolences to Ricki and Bill, and my prayers that they will soon find some comfort and be able to remember happy times with their little baby. Only time can help heal the wound left by Chelito's passing - and it will probably take a long time. Sad wheeks from Julie & her loving boys - Wheeky, Sooty, Snowdrop, Joey, Kimba, Treacle, Hugo, Honey & Hamish {remembering my darlings - Donald, Brandy, Archie, Dougall, Teddy & Muppet, forever in my heart and soul - desperately & despairingly missed) From juwles at bigpond.com Sun Oct 25 09:49:47 2009 From: juwles at bigpond.com (Julie Juwles Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:49:47 +1000 Subject: [Gpdd] OT: Selena and her Dad's surgery In-Reply-To: <963079.53978.qm@web63303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <963079.53978.qm@web63303.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0E60C4CEA30C478A9C7233FAA97F1B7C@JuliePC> Dear Selena, I am delighted to hear that the surgery your Dad had went so well. What a relief for you both! I can't believe it how quickly doctors can do this sort of operation and then send a patient home next day! Isn't medical technology marvellous these days? I hope your Dad will take care of himself - I think he's probably got to do a lot of walking for rehabilitation now doesn't he? Happy wheeks, squeaks, rumbles & cuddles Julie and her darling boys - Wheeky, Sooty, Snowdrop, Joey, Kimba, Treacle, Hugo, Honey & Hamish {remembering my darlings - Donald, Brandy, Archie, Dougall, Teddy & Muppet, forever in my heart and soul - desperately & despairingly missed) From piggyfriends at tesco.net Sun Oct 25 12:11:17 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:11:17 -0000 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Condolences for Dillon Message-ID: <851D6179051F46CD9DABADF74DAB37B2@inspiron1150> I was so very sorry to read that, despite all of your efforts, little Dillon has left for the Rainbow Bridge. Don't you worry about rambling on about a piggy. We all do it and understand very well how much it helps to tell their story. I hope that Donovan will be OK without his best friend. I hate to see a lone piggy, which is why I keep my sows in groups, so that, if one is lost, there is always company for the others and new arrivals can be added to a group to keep up the numbers. This doesn't work with my boars, who are kept in pairs, so a bereft boar is always found a new companion and it may be that you will need to do this for Donovan but having his cage next to your other two piggies may be companionship enough for him. From experience, it seems to me that a boar grieves for his lost friend much more than a sow, who is willing to move on and gossip with any other sows. See how he gets on. Sending you our utmost sympathy at this sad time with love and hugs for Donovan, Puff Ball and Cocoa Puff. Take care. Penny and the Piggyfriends in England. From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 25 18:55:00 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: Dillon Message-ID: <582621.38938.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm so sorry Dillon slipped away. I cried throughout your posting and was left with the sense that he was a wonderful therapig, especially?whenever someone had had a bad day. He took his calling to comfort seriously and spoke chirps and squeaks of cheer and encouragement whenever needed. If only we could be more like this sweet little fellow, it'd be a much better world. ? I'm sure he?understood and received?the emotional comfort you so lovingly returned to him. You know, this stuff really turns us inside out, but it's worth every tear to have them in our lives, however briefly. You were certainly blessed to have such a loving piggie, and he was equally blessed to have you. In sympathy, Joanie From rzm.2 at verizon.net Sun Oct 25 19:25:20 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:25:20 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] OFF TOPIC- baby bunnies Message-ID: <15176DDD2FB34D59B141692FE7AC4D4D@chirpyPC> Hi! I know this is off topic, but I could use some help. I got this message from the foster co-ordinator at the Humane League that I foster for: Anyway; the reason I am contacting you is yesterday we received 3 baby bunnies that are only about 5 weeks old according to the people who brough them in (I am not really sure how to age them) Their mom apparently was hit by a car and killed...although I haven't been able to figure that out for myself yet...and I feel they are too young for us to put up for adoption.... I know you haven't fostered bunnies before but thought I would ask and see if you felt like you might be willing to give it a try. They are eating pellets and hay and seems to be doing well on their own. I think they should be closer to 2 months old before we put them up for adoption. Let me know what you think I have no experience with bunnies, but would like to help out. If anyone knows about baby bunnies can you e-mail me off digest? Thanks. ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From rzm.2 at verizon.net Sun Oct 25 19:37:44 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:37:44 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- condolences Message-ID: <9502E02255534229A498A683F167B671@chirpyPC> I'm really sorry to hear about Dillon. It sounds like even though your vet wasn't the most experienced with piggies that she is a very caring vet & for that you were lucky. Teeth problems are unfortunately just very hard to deal with in piggies. There's alot of different opinions & advice out there. It's hard to know what is fact & what is fiction. Don't drive yourself insane with "if onlys". Believe me, we've all been there & it just does no good for your healing process. You did awesome, waking up in the middle of the night for him & I know you tried your absolute best & he knew that too. Our piggies always leave holes in our hearts when they go. That hole can never be filled again, but can be patched by other piggies who will need our love in the future. Take comfort with your husband & remaining piggies & enjoy every second with them. It's sweet that your family even called to check on him too. He was so well loved. I have been there & so has everyone else here on the digest. It is devastating when they go & it will take time to heal. I know it's hard to believe right now but it does get better. Take care. My thoughts & prayers are with you & your family. ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From mfug at live.co.uk Mon Oct 26 03:37:24 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:37:24 -0000 Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow Bridge; Chelito Message-ID: Please pass our love on to Chelitos family, we all know how hard it is to lose a precious furbaby, our thoughts are with them. Run free Chelito make lots of new friends M, Fugly + Spooky From mfug at live.co.uk Mon Oct 26 03:39:17 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:39:17 -0000 Subject: [Gpdd] Rainbow bridge; Dillon Message-ID: ME and the remaining piggies we are sorry for your loss of Dillon, he sounds like a little sweetheart. We know how sad you must feel, but take joy in the piggies left with you and one day you will be able to remember Dillon without pain. Run free Dillon makes lots of new friends M, Fugly + Spooky From DL1Bossfan at aol.com Mon Oct 26 13:16:12 2009 From: DL1Bossfan at aol.com (DL1Bossfan at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:16:12 EDT Subject: [Gpdd] [MISC] Alge Message-ID: Hi Everyone- I lucked up and had the pleasure of "chatting" (IM) with Alge last night. She is "hanging in there," and wanted everyone to know that she was thinking about all of us GPDDers. She stated that she is weak and gets tired easily and that is why she doesn't post often. Alge also wanted to send heartfelt thanks to each and every one of you that have kept her in your prayers, sent cards and gifties, and/or have posted kind words and thoughts. That has meant a lot and I believe it keeps her going through the rough days. GPDDers and piggies are the bestest ever! Love and Happy Halloween To All- Donna and the SC piggies From mlwilliams at clear.net Mon Oct 26 13:48:08 2009 From: mlwilliams at clear.net (mlwilliams2) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC: Hello fro me and the girls Message-ID: Hi folks, I was thinking of all of you today and thought I'd drop a quick note to you. We have been really busy here and a lot going on. I am trying to learn a new program for blind people that is a talking GPS program. It's kind of complicated and I am taking some on line courses trying to learn it. While I'm on line, I often go look around e-bay to see what I just can't live without and I found something there that I thought you would all enjoy seeing. http://cgi.ebay.com/Adorable-Dollhouse-Miniature-Guinea-Pig-DE4041_W0QQitemZ350161637981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518742925d If it doesn't show up, go to this link instead and do a search for miniature guinea pig: http://shop.ebay.com/manorhouseminiatures/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 I found it while looking for stuff for my granddaughter's dollhouse I am giving her for Christmas. I am going to make a tiny little cage for it in the style of the CC cages I bought a tiny little water bottle and plan to glue it to the inside of the cage, hanging upside down with a little spout made from a metal paper clip. I'm going to make one for myself too as I am now addicted to minis after seeing all this cute stuff. Me and the girls send our love to all of you and pleas know we are thinking of you often, just swamped at the moment between work, family and trying to get things ready for the rapidly upcoming holidays. Sheesh! We hope you and the babies are all well and we send out prayers and condolences to those of you who are experiencing losses and/or illnesses of your much loved fur babies. Love, hugs and whisker kisses, Lynn, Samantha and Tabitha From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 26 15:06:16 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] BEHAVIOR: Puff's progress Message-ID: <563426.21555.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I put her in her carrier whenever I clean her cage, and then, if there's time, she's transferred into a large laundry basket. Today, instead of escaping to her tent, she hunkered down next to my hand. She even talked a little. I'm ecstatic. She'll eat while I'm petting her now--at least when she's outside of her cage. We're working on engendering inside-cage trust. Wheeks of joy! Joanie From Glynis at garnay.com.au Tue Oct 27 00:32:14 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:32:14 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Condolences for Chelito Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF92322116F@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Dear Audrey please pass on our condolences to Ricki on the sad passing of little Chelito :o( RIP Chelito run free at the bridge, popcorn with mates and family and enjoy the dandelions and clover xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS))))))))))))))))))))))) and loves from us all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Another little star now twinkling in the sky................... :o( Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Tue Oct 27 00:38:28 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:38:28 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Condolences for Dillon Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221170@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> My heart goes out to you all, i know just what you've been thru, that final day is one that you always hope will never come and when it does it's very very hard to accept :o( RIP Dillon run free at the bridge, now playing with friends and popcorning thru fields of green grass and dandelions xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))) )))) and loves for you all please give little Donovan some loves kisses from the girls xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Another little star now twinkling in the sky.................... :o( Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From bunzella at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 27 13:46:08 2009 From: bunzella at yahoo.ca (pat schuett) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] MISC: Worst Slave in History of World !!! In-Reply-To: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221170@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Message-ID: <166706.91479.qm@web113211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I am feeling SOOOO bad this morning! Last night I let Doris and Audrey out for their evening perambulation and when I went to let them back into their cage (my cages are all NIC cages which sit right on the floor so I just open one panel to allow them in or out), I realized that I had absentmindedly let them out before getting Olivia (my third piggie) back into *her* cage after her own floor time. Normally, I am alerted to this outrage by loud and indignant squeaking (despite living next door to each other for years quite amicably, D&A still object strongly to meeting Olivia face to face during exercise period) but this had not happened. Doris was already back in her and Audrey's cage, and I assumed Audrey was there as well but inside one of the pigloos, so I closed the cage door and went to get their handful of red and yellow pepper chunks (which they get to reward them for going back in). Before I could step over to the shelf where the dish of pepper chunks was, Audrey raced out from under the bureau, crashed into my ankle, recovered from that and then tried to run into the cage and crashed into the panel where the cage door would have been if I hadn't closed it. (Both she and Doris are elderly pigs and I wonder now if her eyesight is a bit dodgy --- maybe she couldn't even see that it was closed?) Of course, after all this, she ran back under the bureau and it took me half an hour to convince her to come out and go back into the (now open) cage door. Even this morning, she was very doubtful about coming out for their normal exercise time, and refused to accept my peace offering of extra blueberries. Both she and Doris were upset all night and hardly ate any pellets, though they did tuck into their morning salad with *almost* their usual enthusiasm. The more I think about this (I'm now at work and can't make further amends until this evening), the more of a complete slimeball and general lowlife I feel. I am in the midst of a big home renovation project, about to have the oak hardwood on the main floor of my house sanded down and refinished, so I must admit I am a tad distracted but I was already concerned about the piggies, since I'm not sure how bad the floor finish will smell and if it might be bad for them. (I know they would hate the disruption of a temporary move, but I am considering whether it might be necessary to ask my friends who live across the street from me if I could park the piggies over there while the refinishing is happening, and just go over there to feed, water and visit for those three or four days.) Now poor little Audrey is looking at me like Attila the Hun, and I can't argue with her reasoning... Pat the Very Bad Slave __________________________________________________________________ The new Internet Explorer? 8 - Faster, safer, easier. Optimized for Yahoo! Get it Now for Free! at http://downloads.yahoo.com/ca/internetexplorer/ From jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 27 16:55:11 2009 From: jaggs4 at sbcglobal.net (ANDREW SILL) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] Misc: Dillon Message-ID: <380503.44538.qm@web80201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Our deepest sympathy for Dillon's family. I must admit we cryed here at misfitville as we read Dillon's story. Such a caring little pig to help you each thru ruff days. We also hold a certain piggie that just seems to know how to help you on a really bad day. He cuddles you up really good. His name is Patches.? I sure hope Donovan is doing ok. I know he will need extra cuddles which I am sure he will get from all of you.? Rest in peace little Dillon. We know you are over the bridge and enjoying all the company of all our little furbabies that have passed before you. Give little Donovan a big hug from us. shedding tears for you Dillon, Jean From warmbreath at comcast.net Wed Oct 28 03:24:12 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:24:12 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC: Worst Slave in History of World !!! Message-ID: Hi Attila, just kidding, I would park them else where while the refinishing and drying happens and put a sheet tightly around their cages while the sanding happens, the sawdust and phenols and esters are bad for them and you, keep the windows open as much as possible even for yourself. They will get over the rest Sandy and Sammy From piggyfriends at tesco.net Wed Oct 28 13:36:50 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:36:50 -0000 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC:Worst Slave in History of World!!! Message-ID: <663B5D1DF97B46DE852AE07F6017D372@inspiron1150> Hi Pat. A couple of years ago, we had workmen in to replace all of our windows. I was very concerned about all the mess and noise and how it would affect the Piggyfriends but there are just too many of them to board anywhere. I need not have worried. The piggies were so interested in what was going on, climbing up the wire at the front of their pens to watch the work and discussing it amongst themselves ( probably hoping for a bite of the workmen's sandwiches ). Admittedly this work did not require much in the way of sanding but when we had our kitchen rebuilt, entailing a lot of dust, I moved the pens that are normally in the room next to the kitchen for the duration. It was somewhat cramped having all the pens in one room but the piggies seemed to think it was a lot of fun having different neighbours and did not consider how awkward it was for me to do the daily clean out. On the whole, I think that you should ask your friend to give them a temporary home as they will not like the smell of whatever is put on your floor. I don't suppose that you will like it either! Make sure that the girls buy your friend a gift for her kindness. Good luck with the renovations. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From piggyfriends at tesco.net Wed Oct 28 13:45:55 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:45:55 -0000 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC Trouble with the Internet Message-ID: Hi all, We have been having trouble with our Internet connection AGAIN here at Piggyfriends. Grr!! I posted a message which, although it appears to have been sent, has not appeared in my GPDD. I would not normally have worried but it included birthday greetings for our dear Glynis and, as it is her birthday on the 29th., I thought that I would try sending it again before it is too late. Of course, you may all have read it already as it may have reached all of your Inboxes so if that is the case forgive me for the deja vu and please move on to the next post. I entitled it " A Week of Celebrations ". Here it is again. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lots of good things this week here at Piggyfriends, but first we must raise several glasses of carrot wine in honour of our dear friend Glynis, who celebrates her birthday on 29th. October. Happy Birthday Glynis! Three cheers. Wheek, wheek, hooray!! Happy Halloween to everyone on the 31st. October, especially to my piggy Halloween, so named because I collected him and his friend, Hope, on that day three years ago. I have no idea how old they both are but we call this day their birthday anyway. The first of November will be my dear old Gingerbread's six and a half birthday. When my piggies get to be SCAMPS, they are entitled to an extra "half birthday". There will be two new Piggyfriends joining us on Thursday. Some while ago, one of our Rodentologists' clients took on a rescue piggy as a companion for one of her sows. The new piggy turned out to be pregnant and gave birth to, I believe, three sows and a boar. I offered a home to any of the litter that needed one but, due to a bereavement in her family, it has taken a while for decisions to be made and for the piggies to be delivered to the Rodentologists' house. I think that she is keeping two baby girls with her sow and the little boar and another sow will be waiting for me on Thursday evening. I will let you know when they come home and pigtures will be forthcoming. Love and wheeks to you all. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From jocelynm at umich.edu Wed Oct 28 14:51:30 2009 From: jocelynm at umich.edu (Anderson, Jocelyn M) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:51:30 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] [MISC] Re: Worst Slave in History of World Message-ID: <3AF9B038A6B07641B36C799ED4EBB0D704CD60EC6F@ITCS-ECLS-1-VS3.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu> Hi Pat, Poor little Audrey, she was in an all out piggy panic! Please don't get down on yourself, those piggies have a great life with their floor time and their red and yellow peppers (that's good stuff!) Hopefully the little fuzzies will have come around by now and enough and will be back to their normal selves. Those extra snacks help to smooth over any piggie fussiness. As for the smells from the floor, I'm not sure how the piggies will deal with those, hopefully someone else will be of more help there. Jocelyn, Flashbang Fatbottom, Edgeworth, and Benito From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 28 14:51:43 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] MISC.: Worst slave??? Message-ID: <798458.33532.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not! We all make mistakes. I sure made plenty when Hershey got sick, and still stew over them from time to time. Your intentions were pure. A bad slave would be indifferent or maybe even malignantly inclined towards the needs of her piggies. I only see love and genuine concern for them from you. ? I know how awful it feels to have scared one of our little ones--like an ogre! I'll bet they'll forgive you a lot sooner than you forgive themself. ? Joanie From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 28 14:53:14 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] RAINBOW BRIDGE: A chiming Hershey memorial Message-ID: <349949.57350.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I took the bells Hershey loved and hung them in the apple tree right above her resting place. Now the wind plays her song. Joanie From rsilhan at tampabay.rr.com Wed Oct 28 14:56:23 2009 From: rsilhan at tampabay.rr.com (rsilhan at tampabay.rr.com) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:56:23 -0400 Subject: [Gpdd] ANNOUNCING: Critter Corral Open House, Chicago Area Message-ID: <20091028185624.5FTH4.509233.root@hrndva-web15-z01> The Critter Corral 10th Annual Open House Sunday, November 1st, 2009 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. Willard Wood Park Center 515 1st Street Crete, Illinois 60417 There will be food, raffles and many homeless guinea pigs looking for a new home. You may also scan our adoptables list on petfinder.com (zip:60475) and pick out a new furry friend to meet you at the open house. Already a guinea pig slave? Your little piggies are welcome to come and enter special guinea pig contests including: biggest eyes, best lips, and best all-around ham. Also, we will be holding our world famous, and always adorable, annual guinea pig costume contest. To support our service personnel overseas, there will also be a box for donations to be sent overseas. For questions or other information, email info at crittercorral.org From rj1571 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Oct 28 15:34:02 2009 From: rj1571 at yahoo.co.uk (rj1571) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:34:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Gpdd] [BEHAVIOUR] Update on Faith the lone piggie Message-ID: <112728.80568.qm@web26307.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi to all ? There seems to be a lot of sad news at the moment, so I thought now would be a good time to let everyone know some positive updates on Faith my lone female piggie. ? I posted a couple of weeks ago asking for advice as my beautiful Hope had not made it through having her teeth filed and her sister Faith was very scared and lonely on her own. Thank you so much to everyone who posted advice and suggestions on ways I could make her life a little happier. ? I tried a couple of suggestions, one being to get her a cuddlely stuffed toy that she could cuddle up to. She did not take to the first toy, but I did manage to find a bigger toy which is the same colour as her sister Hope was. I have found her sleeping next to the toy, with her head resting on its tummy and she seems a lot calmer now. Then this morning, when I went in to give her breakfast greens she cried out for her food for the first time since Hope past away. It may have been early but I had the biggest smile on my face as I had not heard this wonderful sound for what seemed like ages! ? Shes still hiding away most of the time but I have managed to coax her out of the pigloo and into a log tunnel which is progress and she is happily getting into her travel box to go out in the garden for grass time. Its late autumn here in the UK so the weather is getting a bit wet and cool but I am trying to get her as much grass time as I can so she has a change of scenery. ? I have spent a lot more time sitting talking to her in her hutch. Usually I end up presented with just a furry butt sticking out of the tunnel but I am perservering. ? Anyway, thanks again to everyone for their advice and condolences, there really is no substitute to being able to get first hand advice from other piggie slaves. ? ? Beki From rzm.2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 21:50:58 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:50:58 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC- birthday wishes Message-ID: Happy birthdays to Halloween & Hope...we hope you have a "spooktacular birthday"! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From rzm.2 at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 22:27:38 2009 From: rzm.2 at verizon.net (Ronald Zimmerman) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:38 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] OFF TOPIC- baby bunnies Message-ID: I picked up my foster bunnies today! OMG they are adorable! Not at all what I expected. So tiny & fuzzy. They are Jersey Wooleys? They are eating hay & pellets well, but the lady in charge of fostering (Lori) brought them in some romaine from home & the one had lose stools after that. She said not to give them any veggies for now. They are so tiny I find it hard to believe they could be 5 weeks old. I am kind of worried about the smallest one. That's the one that had the lose stools. He (she?) has squinty little eyes & is constantly snuggling up against the one other bunnie. It wants to be cuddled against him all the time. Is that normal? They are all on an antibiotic right now. She said they were snuffly when they came in. If their mom was alive would they still be nursing from her? They all have good appetites. Lori said they are too little to know what sex they are right now. She tried to check before we left but couldn't tell. I hope I do ok with them. They are very friendly & not skittish at all. Wish me luck! ~Jaime & Mimi~ ~Missing Albert, Molly, Radar & Daisy~ http://s652.photobucket.com/albums/uu246/chirpy123/ From Glynis at garnay.com.au Fri Oct 30 00:39:49 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:39:49 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] Announcements: Whee are Late!! Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221193@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Oh me oh my.........whee sooooooooo sorry it's all mummy's fault !!!!!!!!!!!!!! We've given her a good scolding and told her next time whee will throw our handbags at her! HUMPH how dare she not send birthday wishes on time!!!!!!!!! so whee gonna do it *cough cough* just clearing our little throats, want to sound beautiful for our lovely friend Penny..... HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUUUUU HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEAR PENNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEK WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEK WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK some extra loves cause whee late (hey Onyx do ya think whee should still speak to mummy after being so late? mmmmmmm Velvet i think whee must otherwise no food or treaties may come our way!! SIGH......... OK) Hi Penny sorry love i was in a mess with paper work on wednesday i DID have a note to put up a message early for you but of course found it this morning at work and went OMG noooo! Hope you had a wonderful birthday, i'm sure the PiggyFriends would've given you amples of kisses and huggles :o) Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Fri Oct 30 00:55:51 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:55:51 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Chimes for Hershey Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221198@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Oh Joanie what a lovely thing to do, now Hershey will forever here her bells xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx And you will get to enjoy them as well, Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Fri Oct 30 00:57:49 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:57:49 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Little Faith Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF923221199@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Beki i do hope little Faith will continue to come out and wheek to you :o) It's the most beautiful sound in the world, i know how much i missed it when Sully went to the bridge as Dukey lost his wheek :o( he at least did talk to me tho :o) Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Fri Oct 30 00:58:48 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:58:48 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Happy Halloween Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF92322119A@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> BOO !!! te he...........hope you all have a great Halloween :o) It's being celebrated even more now in OZ, not to the extent tho that our friends in the US do. Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From warmbreath at comcast.net Fri Oct 30 00:50:04 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:50:04 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] OFF TOPIC- baby bunnies References: Message-ID: <58B959029E324BB2A0E59C8DB31FAE80@SNADY> Hi Please do check the references I gave you offline, if they are on antibiotics they need Benebac a probiotic on an opposite schedule than their main meals, the one is no doubt cold, provisions need to be made to keep them warm as they would from their mum, who would also have built them a fur lined nest, and as I said before their tummies are more delicate than piggies. No doubt after piggie babies its startling to see how helpless baby buns are in comparison. look these up in the references I gave you, your answers are there, and more help is available from the good folks at etherbun. Raising baby buns is hard at first. Find out how early you can give them Ivermectin You cant raise baby buns in a vacuum Good luck Sandy From Glynis at garnay.com.au Fri Oct 30 01:02:13 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:02:13 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Bad Slave?? Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF92322119B@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> Nope i don't think so at all Pat.........gosh we all have those moments!! Not long ago i fed the girls some treaties, only to come back down about an hour later to discover i'd left their new cage lid (metal wire bent to fit over cage as protection from their big sister Bella the pup) off! I was horrified as Bella had been let inside and she does wander in to look inside their cage everynow and then.......i felt physically ill. HUGS for you love i'm sure once her initial worries are over she'll be back to chutting and exploring all over again :o) I personally wouldn't have the piggies anywhere near bad smells like paint or stains at all, i'd be worried how it might affect their delicate noses. Good luck with your renovations! Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Fri Oct 30 01:06:34 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:06:34 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] THankyou's to Penny Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF92322119C@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> THANKYOU Penny and the PiggieFriends for such lovely wishes! Lots of nose rubs and kisses for my dear little friends xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The girls did try to raise some glasses of carrot wine, but i told them noooooo not yet you're still too young!! They had to suffice with carrot juice instead. Can't wait to hear about your newest additions next week when i return from a long weekend (it's Melbourne Cup on Tuesday so we also have the Monday off) the girls and I will be so happy to hear their names and all about them :o) Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From Glynis at garnay.com.au Fri Oct 30 01:09:25 2009 From: Glynis at garnay.com.au (Glynis Robson) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:09:25 +1100 Subject: [Gpdd] [ANNOUNCE] Birthday Wishes for Hope and Halloween Message-ID: <1E79BEF045F13847938D188011CBF92322119D@GARNAYSBS.garnayindustries.local> WHEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEEEEEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEK WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK Lots of treaties (not the sugary kind tho) for you both on Saturday! Love Glynis, Velvet and Onyx (in mem Sully and Duke) xxxx From piggyfriends at tesco.net Fri Oct 30 06:02:32 2009 From: piggyfriends at tesco.net (Penny Charlesworth) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:02:32 -0000 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC O/T Baby Bunnies Message-ID: <695464DCD14140BDA961C132C3AFE577@inspiron1150> Jaime, I have hand reared baby piggies but know very little about buns. I am glad that you have Sandy's help with the baby bunnies. I remember when tiny buns were brought into the shelter where my son, Kevin works, the staff said how difficult it is to rear orphaned buns. They are so much more delicate than our piggies as they are not born " ready to go " and really need their mums. I wish you every success with these little ones. Well done for giving it a go. Good luck. Very small hugs for the buns. Penny and the Piggyfriends. From zarafa101 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 30 12:27:11 2009 From: zarafa101 at yahoo.com (Stephanie Labbate) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] [MISC] WISHES & BUNNIES Message-ID: <650346.79187.qm@web62501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Jaime and Mimi -- whee loved your photos and wish all the best with the Bunny Babies. Happy wheeks!! ? Stephanie Mocha, Lily, and Felix (The 3 Little Pigs) From joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 30 13:19:50 2009 From: joanhess4 at sbcglobal.net (GARY HESS) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Wood finish fumes Message-ID: <171854.90461.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you've ever read the label of one of the stains/varnishes/finishes folks use on wood, you'd find it pretty scary to have around your piggies. Yikes, it reads as though it'd be lethal to humans unless all the windows and doors are open. Yes, the neighbors' sounds like a pretty safe place to be (as long as the wind's blowing the other way). Just kidding on that last bit, but you get the idea. Joanie From warmbreath at comcast.net Fri Oct 30 16:50:11 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:50:11 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] HEALTH: Neutered pig References: <578d8a800910150538m50ce419er1804b0ec753a6316@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I didn't see if you were answered. Yes he will mount , for the rest of his life, but with much less frequency and enthusiasm. This is one way piggies interact socially and determine hierarchy, even sows do it. 2 weeks is a little soon hope for the best Sandy > My male guinea pig was neutered 2 weeks ago. As per the vets > instructions, > I was able to introduce him to the girls yesterday. He immediately tried > to > mount the girls. I've never had a neutered male before and need to know > if > this is normal. > -Sandi From mfug at live.co.uk Sat Oct 31 05:59:03 2009 From: mfug at live.co.uk (M) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:59:03 -0000 Subject: [Gpdd] announcement; Piggyfriends News Message-ID: Well we appear to be having problems getting posts here, I saw peoples responses to the post about Hope and Halloween but had to search the archives this morning to find the original. Happy Birthday Hope and Halloween we know your slave will spoil you Happy 6.5 Birthday Gingerbread, us boys think an extra half birthday is a fantastic idea, you have a super slave. Welcome to the 2 new Piggyfriends we are eagerly waiting to hear all about you M, Fugly + Spooky From joedee1986 at verizon.net Sat Oct 31 15:49:12 2009 From: joedee1986 at verizon.net (Dee and Joe) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gpdd] MISC: Peaches and Jodie Message-ID: <294820.63940.qm@web84001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, Happy Autumn from Jodie and Peaches! (Hope this works) Dee http://photo2.walgreens.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=2000668002/a=14110680_14110680/otsc=SHR/otsi=SALBlink/COBRAND_NAME=walgreens/ From warmbreath at comcast.net Sat Oct 31 21:50:18 2009 From: warmbreath at comcast.net (warmbreath at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:50:18 -0700 Subject: [Gpdd] MISC: Peaches and Jodie References: <294820.63940.qm@web84001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Peaches and Jodie are gorgeous, I got some good ones of Sammy with a new phone, the new Wal-Mart pay as you go plan, its a super bargain, I just have to figure out how to send them. The phone is great, it's 1.2 megapixels and much sharper than my old VGA one. So soon you will see my plain American Sammy, who matches Peaches in color but not style Love Sandy and Sammy who is away on pirate duty this wheekend so I am lonely